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New DVD-copying program sets stage for legal showdown
[link|http://dailycamera.com/bdc/national_intl_business/article/0,1713,BDC_2464_1607918,00.html|321 Studios come up to bat]

Seems there is more of a ground swell that we don;t see.

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Overbooking, is a problem, please be prepared for "room-ies".

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Expand Edited by gfolkertold Dec. 18, 2002, 04:12:30 PM EST
New Goes to the root. Can Corp be beaten w. Dubya DOJ?
When the rich assemble to concern themselves with the business of the poor, it is called Charity. When the poor assemble to concern themselves with the business of the rich, it is called Anarchy.

-Paul Richards
New Um...Ash...
..I don't think you need a civics lesson.

"Dub's DOJ" has nothing to do with this.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

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New Misspoke: make that "Dubya's USSC" re Constitutionality
When the rich assemble to concern themselves with the business of the poor, it is called Charity. When the poor assemble to concern themselves with the business of the rich, it is called Anarchy.

-Paul Richards
New Hmmm....
...has he appointed anyone to the USSC yet?

Don't think so.

Its not even a constitutional issue. It'll probably never even be mentioned at the USSC level.

Its a legal decision that needs to be made. Does DMCA trump Fair Use.

If DMCA wins then there is no such thing as fair use...and we all get to throw away vcrs, cassettes, cdrs and all other copy media.

Somehow I think this is unlikely.

You give Bush too much credit for even thinking this would make the radar screen of the Administration.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

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New Um...BeeP...
Duh's DOJ does have something to do with it

From the link:
In addition, Susan Illston, the federal judge assigned to the case, has granted the U.S. Department of Justice's motion to intervene because the suit challenges the constitutionality of a federal law, the DMCA. [emphasis added]

That is Duh's DOJ, now isn't it.
jb4
"They lead. They don't manage. The carrot always wins over the stick. Ask your horse. You can lead your horse to water, but you can't manage him to drink."
Richard Kerr, United Technologies Corporation, 1990
New Well, it does say that...
but I still fail to see any constitutional issue at stake here.

It is a fair use challenge to the DMCA. One of many many to come...as the article makes clear...there are no fair use provisions...and hopefully this case will get one added.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

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New Yes, our Constitution (may it rest in peace)...
..most certainly does not grant us a Right to Fair Use. Fair use is granted by statute...and is being usurped by greed. My point was in response to your post that "Dub's DOJ has nothing to do with this", which was shown to be incorrect.

Yet another issue on which we (sorta) agree.

Must be getting close to Christmas?
jb4
"They lead. They don't manage. The carrot always wins over the stick. Ask your horse. You can lead your horse to water, but you can't manage him to drink."
Richard Kerr, United Technologies Corporation, 1990
New I think what you'll see...
...is them step out again...based upon what we've agreed on...its not a constitutional issue...and the Judge will find that...UNLESS...these guys have stated as an intention to have the entire DMCA overturned...or the Judge thinks the result of a ruling may have that effect...(the latter...I think...being a good sign for our side)
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

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New dupe
dupe
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Expand Edited by bepatient Dec. 19, 2002, 02:34:38 PM EST
New Yeah... sure...
Amateur... !

[image|/forums/images/warning.png|0|This is sarcasm...]

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Your friendly Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
[link|http://www.wired.com/news/wireless/0,1382,56742,00.html|Wi-Fi enabled device use] comes with an all inclusive
free trip to the (county)Photographer!


Why You ask? Here is the answer to your query:
SELECT * FROM politicians WHERE iq > 40 OR \\
  WHERE ego < 1048575;
0 rows found
New Hmmm...
...maybe I need to have your Dew license suspended for a while ;-)
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New err....
I'll be GOOD! I PROMISE!!!!!

[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|HIS GHOST SPEAKS!]


Your friendly Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
[link|http://www.wired.com/news/wireless/0,1382,56742,00.html|Wi-Fi enabled device use] comes with an all inclusive
free trip to the (county)Photographer!


Why You ask? Here is the answer to your query:
SELECT * FROM politicians WHERE iq > 40 OR \\
  WHERE ego < 1048575;
0 rows found
New rofl
Its ok Greg...I didn't mean to frighten you...its just sometimes...you know...you get a little...
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Given the Skylarov verdict, they may have a chance, now!
But copyright law expert Evan R. Cox, a partner in the law firm Covington & Burling, noted the DMCA as written does not provide an exemption for fair use.

He also said previous court challenges to the DMCA have been mostly unsuccessful.

However, Cox said the movie studios also have to deal with sentiments that go far beyond any courtroom, "a sense of justice on the part of customers" who already feel entitled to make backup copies. [emphasis added]


Interesting that this is the same guy that said, [link|http://news.com.com/2100-1023-978176.html|in relation to the Skylarov decision]:
"It is troubling for enforcement of the (criminal provisions of the) DMCA," said Evan Cox, an attorney with the San Francisco firm of Covington & Burlington. "This was the kind of case that the DMCA was meant to prevent. If this enforcement led to a not guilty verdict, you have to wonder what would lead to a successful case."


His hemming-and-hawing means one of two things: either things are now moving so fast in this arena that no one can kkep up, or this guy will say whatever his client-du-jour pays his fees to say.

Nonetheless, the timing of this suit could not have been better for 321's purposes.

I wish them good luck (and better lawyers!).
jb4
"They lead. They don't manage. The carrot always wins over the stick. Ask your horse. You can lead your horse to water, but you can't manage him to drink."
Richard Kerr, United Technologies Corporation, 1990
     DVD-copying program sets stage for legal showdown - (folkert) - (14)
         Goes to the root. Can Corp be beaten w. Dubya DOJ? -NT - (Ashton) - (12)
             Um...Ash... - (bepatient) - (11)
                 Misspoke: make that "Dubya's USSC" re Constitutionality -NT - (Ashton) - (1)
                     Hmmm.... - (bepatient)
                 Um...BeeP... - (jb4) - (8)
                     Well, it does say that... - (bepatient) - (7)
                         Yes, our Constitution (may it rest in peace)... - (jb4) - (6)
                             I think what you'll see... - (bepatient)
                             dupe - (bepatient) - (4)
                                 Yeah... sure... - (folkert) - (3)
                                     Hmmm... - (bepatient) - (2)
                                         err.... - (folkert) - (1)
                                             rofl - (bepatient)
         Given the Skylarov verdict, they may have a chance, now! - (jb4)

We are gonna party all... night... LONG!
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