Will .Net be the .End?

Post #6,497 by mmoffitt 8/23/01 2:33:01 PM Reply	Will .Net be the .End? Is it just me and my wishful thinking? There doesn't seem to be anywhere near the excitement about the "newest thing from Redmond" that there was just a few years ago. Perhaps the crest of the hoopla was the launch of Windows95, complete with Jay Leno. .Net, Hailstorm (which imho is scary), Windows XP, Office XP, the launch of these things is almost a non-event from my perspective. I recently went to the Chicago office of Microsoft for a week of intensive hands-on training with .Net technologies. It left me wanting. I've spoken to several other developers and the ones I've spoken to pretty much all have the same impression: 1. We do what we do to make the rent - and that's the only reason we do it. 2. PHB's (our market) likes MS solutions. 3. .Net is .Not ready for prime-time. 4. We have to learn .Net in case the PHB's continue their MS-mantra, but we are seriously revisiting and/or expanding our use of Java. My question is will .Net be to Microsoft what the acquisition of Ashton-Tate was to Borland? bcnu, Mikem
Post #6,572 by static 8/24/01 1:37:26 AM Reply	It is getting a lukewarm reception. Even Office 2000 was a bit of a fizzer. Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #6,581 by Ashton 8/24/01 3:10:54 AM Reply	Y'know.. what we really need is a litmus test for: how the rms-PHD responds to Pavlovian stimuli hatched in Redmond. Logic? reason? competence.. intelligence!? - we see are clearly simply irrelevant to the pheromones of those color-glossy vapo(u)rware ADS! At least, thus far this has been the history. Never mind the musings of the elite who have access to the LRPD as Their Compass: How &^$^@ gullible! remain the unwashed in 8/01 - akshully ??? Does anyone Know ? {sigh} A. who does not see an inflection point in the slope of the Dumbth Curve, anywhere..
Post #6,585 by imric 8/24/01 9:16:20 AM Reply	So is that good or bad? Could it be that people are just accepting whatever MS throws at them? If there is no choice, if 'MS is the future', then energy spent either fighting or enthusing about MS 'offerings' is just mis-spent. grin Just the depressing thought of the day. Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #6,706 by static 8/26/01 1:08:50 AM Reply	Hard to say. Regarding Office 2000, I have contact with a number of IT Recruiters and so far none of them has requested CVs in Word 2000 format. I used Word 2000 briefly in a job not too long ago and could see absolutely no reason to upgrade. None. In fact, I could see a few reasons to not upgrade! Wade "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #6,725 by Ric Locke 8/26/01 12:46:34 PM Reply	And along we go ...to the stock market. This is exactly the reason for .Net, the intrusive aspects of XP, and the fairly desperate measures Microsoft is employing re licensing -- the bit with the charity in Australia, for instance. Win2000 is NOT a compelling upgrade for anybody. If you really need that strong an OS, NT4 SP6a does a fine job, and as somebody pointed out in another forum I read, it's now at end-of-cycle... which if nothing else means they aren't tweaking (and breaking) it any more. None of the x2000 apps -- Office, FrontPage, etc. -- offer enough that's new to make the effort of installing worthwhile. I even know one or two people who've tried it, then scrubbed and reinstalled NT, or even Win98 SE. Unfortunately Microsoft's appeal to the stock market is and has always been based on revenue growth. W2000 didn't tank, exactly, but nobody got excited, and that translates into essentially flat revenues. Millenium Edition got the same response or worse. So now, in order to protect their position on Wall Street, they're flailing hard to come up with some way to compel people to send them money. But -- they haven't gotten any smarter in the interim; and what they're doing is starting to be obvious to the most pointy-haired of bosses ["What? We _have_ to connect to the Internet to do XP? Them cretins'll be downloading porn all day instead of working!"] and to the accountants and the like. Send Mo' Money Regular is not an attractive proposition. IOW: Microsoft is just the biggest dot.com, and it will take longer for the bubble to deflate, but IMO deflate it will. Regards, Ric

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