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New It would have been on the mailing list.
Lessee... There's a question [link|http://www.xiph.org/archives/paranoia/0543.html|here] but that's not where he says it.

Nah, can't easily find it. A reply to that message I just linked to suggests Monty thought it wasn't going to be impossible. :-)

Wade.

"Ah. One of the difficult questions."

New I have been goin...
Through about 4BJ1 of Mailing List Posts. I have found alot of inferrence about that exact statement but NOT the statement...

Gersh... Wishin we had that...


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New He might have posted it on SlashDot.
Monty and crew make sure they haunt the relevant /. forum when a story is posted about anything they work on.

Wade.

"Ah. One of the difficult questions."

New Gah...
I canna find it...

I'd sooner poke my eyes out looking through /.

I have scanned and read prolly 2000 articles with Paranoia and Protection in them. Another 5-600 with Monty in them (Python come up ALOT in those Articles... must be a nice language that Never expects the Spanish Inquisition! or the Coffin being dragged around)

Also searched for XIP (for xiph.org), and Copy Prot CD ... al fer naught...

Looked in TONS O Usenet Posting from GOOGOOGLE....

I have once again seen TONS of reference to it... but not the actual statement.

Also searched in relation to Skylarov's stuff to... as I saw and inferrence there as well.

Some of the things being cleared up for me by just reading and reading... you are right Wade... Copy Protection *IS* just an error... ot be dealt with.

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New What's his /. userid?

Easiest search is to find the user, go to their posted comments, and slosh through them. None of the variants of "monty" I found as users worked.

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New xiphmont ?
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New That would be it.

"Ah. One of the difficult questions."

New Dam...
Just went through all his posts...

Nothing... Crap!

Other Ideas Wade??

I am not challenging you, there is enough data to support the statement being out there...

I just wan the statement!!!

Could it have been on an IRC blog? or HIS blog?

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New You're really keen! :-)
Have you tried emailing him yourself? :-)

Wade.

"Ah. One of the difficult questions."

New Duhh... dull as a...
club...

Now what was that for? or did I miss the Humor?

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New No, I was being serious.
I rattled around a little bit on the Paranoia mailing list archive (I regularly read the Vorbis ones) but you seem very keen to find Monty's quote.

Wade.

"Ah. One of the difficult questions."

New Oh... so I did,,,
Miss the humor....

Yeah, been looking when I can. I will find it!

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New Something similar from an interview on April 4, 2000.
[link|http://www.advogato.org/article/56.html|Here].

Interview: Christopher Montgomery of Xiphophorus
Posted 4 Apr 2000 by advogato

...

But aren't there some people who prefer digital audio to be a closed club? After all, Vorbis doesn't have any copy protection, region codes, or any of that.

Neither does the competition. The algorithmic equivalent of a wad of gum in the keyhole is not real security, regardless of the press releases that claim otherwise.

But really, this is the real can of worms.

I try to avoid political baggage and philosophical dogma, but I fundamentally disagree with the amount of control the music industry is trying to place over distribution. It is not realistic, it is not practical, and moreover it just worries me.

Let me state for the record that I want the artists to get their money, and much more so than the record companies do. The [link|http://www.riaa.com/|RIAA] can shout piracy all they want, but that isn't what it's about. It's about control, and only about control.

Do you want the RIAA to have the ability to tell you that you may only play your music on a single 'Walkman'? BTW, they have a deal with Sony this year, and the price of that Walkman just went up.

Similar scenarios played out just this past month (albeit concerning MPEG licensing, not the RIAA)! I don't have to construct a 'slippery slope' argument, because we've already fallen down it. You, Joe Consumer, are losing the very right to listen to music you've already bought.

The last piece that completes the absurdity is that the protection schemes the RIAA demands are impossible to implement securely. They'll always end up cracked. Thus, the RIAA, DVD Forum and MPAA are trying to make the act of reverse engineering these flimsy protections itself a crime.

None of this makes sense, and I'm simply not going to participate in the madness. It makes no engineering sense, it makes no legal sense, and my conscience won't let me implement a feature that takes reasonable rights away from people.


Probably not what everyone's looking for though...

Cheers,
Scott.
(Hmm. The square bracket ... square bracket construct is giving me a Zope Attribute Error again... I'll mention it in Suggestions.)
     BMG adding copy protection to all its CDs - (admin) - (41)
         An even better one: EMI - (admin) - (4)
             Re: An even better one: EMI - (SpiceWare) - (1)
                 Besides... those people get money for those blanks - (jake123)
             Christian, translation check please? - (drewk) - (1)
                 Sorry about the delay... But yes, it's pretty much exact. -NT - (CRConrad)
         Won't slow the rippers down. - (static) - (15)
             Link for that discussion? - (admin) - (13)
                 It would have been on the mailing list. - (static) - (12)
                     I have been goin... - (folkert) - (10)
                         He might have posted it on SlashDot. - (static) - (9)
                             Gah... - (folkert)
                             What's his /. userid? - (kmself) - (7)
                                 xiphmont ? -NT - (altmann) - (1)
                                     That would be it. -NT - (static)
                                 Dam... - (folkert) - (4)
                                     You're really keen! :-) - (static) - (3)
                                         Duhh... dull as a... - (folkert) - (2)
                                             No, I was being serious. - (static) - (1)
                                                 Oh... so I did,,, - (folkert)
                     Something similar from an interview on April 4, 2000. - (Another Scott)
             Related: Schneier, The Futility of Copy Protection - (kmself)
         Wait until they see what this costs - (tuberculosis) - (18)
             Of course, they'll mis-read the "message". - (static) - (17)
                 Yes, retailers are very important. - (jake123) - (13)
                     I remember Philips saying that, too. - (static) - (12)
                         Hah..!__like the 'Walk-DVD Player' ? [scrap yer Old one !?] -NT - (Ashton) - (11)
                             It gets complicated. - (static) - (10)
                                 And overlaying all the digital permutations, remains.. - (Ashton) - (9)
                                     I'd forgotten your aspect on that. - (static) - (4)
                                         Ogg Vorbis - (Ashton) - (3)
                                             Vorbis ain't just for Linux - (drewk) - (2)
                                                 Thanks! - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                     Actually, q3 approximates MP3 @ 160, quality-wise. -NT - (static)
                                     Vinyls vs 1's and 0's - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                                         Have you seen the Tubes Rock! T? - (SpiceWare)
                                         toobs - (Steve Lowe) - (1)
                                             Beg to differ - (jb4)
                 that wont work in the US - (boxley) - (2)
                     That would require persistence. - (static) - (1)
                         Yo Bryce! - (tuberculosis)
         And this is just the beginning... - (jb4)

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