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I have no problem with what people do with themselves in their own lives. If you enjoy pig mutilation, more power to you (though you may run afoul or apig of PETA.)

Homosexuality is a different lifestyle. Homosexuals number (depending on your figures) from 2-10% of the population.

Fine.

Whatever.

Whether you consider it an alternate lifestyle, a genetic preference, or whatever, it is a trueism that homosexuals will be burdened with a harder life.

One, they are "diifferent"

Two, most religious denominations are against it.

Three, most "normal" heterosexuals are disgusted by it. (sex with a man is beyond my comprehension.)

Socially, economically, spiritually, if one wishes to teach, I would think you'd try to turn him into more productive, joyous, socially acceptive person. You might mention homosexuality, but to teach it as acceptable is wrong.
French Zombies are zapping me with lasers!
New I think I get it. At least I feel nauseous a bit. So then..
You appear to have cancelled out your magnanimous live and let live disclaimer.. apologia? with the last few sentences:

If teaching that 'it' is acceptable, is wrong, that appears to mean that either you say nothing (perhaps the little tyke will Never find out that such a thing as 'it' exists?) or - you teach that, 'it' is unacceptable. Unacceptable to be that way? I guess that is what is meant.

Presumably an easy stretch, since it's wrong. And since the idea is abhorrent to *you* why - well, naturally it ought to be abhorrent to any right-thinking person, too. Right?

Let's see: right / wrong. Umm sounds like a moral judgment. Of someone not *you* (because you already registered your particular preference). It's about someone *else* (who may or may not much care what your opinion accidentally happens to be - not that their opinion matters: they're wrong. Easy to forget). Right?

Hmm - maybe it's a religious persuasion. Often 'moral' is defined as ~ "what my selected religion says it is" ergo: what mine says it is, is *right*. What yours says it is, is *wrong*. Right?

Of course too - taking you at your word - you can have no idea how a er homosexual might be 'wired' - thus no idea what it might feel like to be a certain way which.. in the opinion of others not-that-way is

A fucking WRONG WAY TO 'BE' ... at all.

Well.. the opposite of being seems to be ~ being dead == not 'being'.

Welcome to Jerusalem 2001.

No need to expose our little tyke to ideas that er some people are 'different' and that makes them immoral and that means: they are wrong to be that way.

Let's show him how you take care of people who ought Not to be - the way they happen to be:

Get them to Not be, anymore. It's logical . It follows from the reasoning given. So.. OK:

I know! Let's teach the little *tyke how to strap on some Semtex and make sure daddy's Righteousness is spread far and wide (well, whatever the radius for 50% MLD is for umm 40# of Semtex of good grade and a decent tetryl booster).

* if by some accident of nature - the little tyke is also an 'it' - why, he'll hardly be missed by daddy anyway.. right? Simply - he wasn't supposed to be - anyway.

Difficulty solved by logic: No more problem with the different ones. No more problem with the immoral ones. No more problem with the homosexual ones.

(But let's not blame it on bigotry and the acting out of atavistic fear of the different thus hatred of that which induces fear.. (and is thus 'immoral' (thus 'wrong')) - gosh logic is so so.. consistent!)

Let's blame it on those French Zombies. It can't be anything *I'm* doing.
New Peta would compreHENsively slate you for that...
--
Peter
Shill For Hire
New Perfectly fucking stupid arguments.
Harris mumbles in his beard:
I have no problem with what people do with themselves in their own lives. If you enjoy pig mutilation, more power to you
A noble sentiment... Too bad it's rather blatantly contradicted by the rest of your post.


Whether you consider [homosexuality] an alternate lifestyle, a genetic preference, or whatever, it is a trueism that homosexuals will be burdened with a harder life.
Yes... And?


One, they are "diifferent"
Two, most religious denominations are against it.
Yup.

Perfectly idiotic reasons for perfectly idiotic people to make fags' lives harder, of course... But yes, they certainly do exist.

And that's somehow a reason to burden the queers with even MORE of "a harder life" than they would be already, with all the idiots that are out there???

Which is of course EXACTLY what you would be doing; the more so, the *less* you tell their presumtive tormentors that no, they aren't actually the Scum Of The Earth and deserve to die, *die*, DIE!!!.


Three, most "normal" heterosexuals are disgusted by it.
A) How do you "know" that? Where are your statistics from; who conducted the surveys; what was the sampling technique, the population they selected from, and the exact question they asked? (i.e, this is pure proctonumerology from you, right?)

B) Even if they are, so what? I may "be disgusted" by your diet, or your clothing and grooming habits (any piercings?), or, for that matter, by your beard... Is that any reason for my stupid prejudices to be allowed to make your life harder than it really has to be?

C) Oh, judging from *some* sectors of the all-pervasive media, *some* kinds of homosexuality seem to be quite popular. Hey, what *is* it with all these nude mud wrestling games that seem to be the highest form of entertainment a red-blooded American male aspires to see...? (That is, lesbianism -- newsflash, that's homosexuality too -- sure seems to sell in pornography. To otherwise self-proclaimed heterosexual men. So maybe this shit isn't as digitally either-or as you seem to think.)


(sex with a man is beyond my comprehension.)
Seems I have to point out, like I so often did to my old man when he thought his inability to understand something was somehow an argument against it, that this isn't necessarily an indictment of sex with a man (my girlfriend loves it, BTW -- you have an issue with that? :-) so much as of your own comprehension... (Furthermore, I submit that *your* opinion on the subject of sex carries rather less weight than that of virtually anybody else here: Most of us have had the opportunity to form an *informed* opinion.)


Socially, economically, spiritually, if one wishes to teach, I would think you'd try to turn him into more productive, joyous, socially acceptive person. You might mention homosexuality, but to teach it as acceptable is wrong.
This statement is a little unclear -- who is the "he" that is supposed to become "more productive, joyous, socially acceptive [sic]"? The teacher, or the pupil? Oh, never mind -- the same question applies in both cases: How the fuck, exactly, is teaching that "what people do with themselves in their own lives" (and you claim to have "no problem with"), how is teaching that this is NOT acceptable -- going to make someone a more "acceptive" person??? (Or show that the one doing the teaching is one.)

Yours seems to be a recipe only for perpetuating bigotry, washing your hands of it with (rather transparently hypocritical) pablums about how you "have no problem with" its victims.

Sheesh...!
   Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
New Is the assumption here that
the literature/education makes it more likely that the kids will turn out gay?

Any evidence that that is the case?

The most toxic person I've had to deal with in the last 5 years (guy made a very serious effort to destroy my wife's costume business, as far as I can tell out of sheer spite. Failed only because he's screwed so many people (and I don't mean sexualy) lately that his suggestions not to deal with Kim backfired.) is probably that way because he's a raging homophobe. And openly gay. Self esteem is overhyped, but self loathing is quite toxic, and not just to the individual involved.

White guys in suits know best
- Pat McCurdy
New nope it is the concern that my kids dont
hafta listen to any more worrisome shit than they hafta before it slaps em in the face anyway. Kids have lotsa problems with learning how to act, please other, be polite. Kids naturally want to be like for who they but they really dont know who they are yet. All I am saying that keep sex out of the mix until puberty when it matters.
Hey dad should I be a dick licker when I grow up?
Son I rather you worried about learning how to read and right and learn to swim before you figure out yer future sexual identity.
thats all,
thanx,
bill
Our bureaucracy and our laws have turned the world into a clean, safe work camp. We are raising a nation of slaves.
Chuck Palahniuk
     warning explicit anti pc language follows and Meerkat - (boxley) - (19)
         Please fix the URL - it makes the screen much too wide. - (Another Scott)
         Ummm... Bill, I thought you lived in Florida... - (Simon_Jester)
         Notice 'narrow / wide' radio button? - (Ashton)
         Arguments againts (formatting aside) - (wharris2) - (5)
             I think I get it. At least I feel nauseous a bit. So then.. - (Ashton)
             Peta would compreHENsively slate you for that... -NT - (pwhysall)
             Perfectly fucking stupid arguments. - (CRConrad)
             Is the assumption here that - (mhuber) - (1)
                 nope it is the concern that my kids dont - (boxley)
         Why, exactly? - (CRConrad) - (9)
             twang, twang, twang,twang,twang,twang,twang - (boxley) - (8)
                 No you haven't: unless you're blowing smoke re - (Ashton) - (3)
                     nope gotta disagree - (boxley) - (2)
                         You do have a point. - (a6l6e6x)
                         Jesuits pegged it first: - (Ashton)
                 No you don't. Not if you want to be human. - (CRConrad) - (3)
                     whose norms? - (boxley) - (2)
                         Then keep 'em in a cage; don't inflict 'em on the public. -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                             the public think they are nice little boys - (boxley)

Ooh, Peter found the asterisk, color me chastised.
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