Question: how do they propose to do this?

Post #5,411 by wharris2 8/16/01 10:32:01 AM Reply	Question: how do they propose to do this? Overall theme: we MUST near-immediately reduce the response-time of ALL SIDES from the current 2-3 MINUTES... to days or hopefully much longer Oh, sure, that sounds peachy-keen. Um, but there is one other country in the equation (and, presumably, as China buiilds up its arsenal there will be two, and possibly these "rogue states" that may or may not be building ICBMs.) How in heck do they propose to persuade them? Other than relying upon Russia's and China's good will? *har har har har* French Zombies are zapping me with lasers!
Post #5,563 by Ashton 8/17/01 1:32:01 AM Reply	Doverai ni proverai.. Ronnie was so proud of himself! - his first uttered Russian words.. (old Russian saying) Trust.. but verify. And fact is / seems to be - there remains enough of that sense between the real pros in US and Russia (indicated by their telling us exactly what was broken in the #&^%&#$ Microsloth db, which was hiding weapons numbers) to use the word 'trust' correctly. Today, anyway. Tomorrow ?? Etc. No, I can't give you a nice slogan that proves* we can make any such arrangement utterly idiot-proof. I could.. list a few dozen reasons though, why.. TWO MINUTES = an unimaginably STUPID amount of time before launching the beginnings of what the Rand Corporation dubbed, in the early '60s Spasm War... ie after a perhaps two or 3 missiles are enroute or land - we revert to primitive logic, no matter if it can be seen that this logic shall KILL ALL, And THAT is precisely the logic ever behind M.A.D. -- which we have survived because so far, not One Insane sub Captain + a few willing accomplices - has er surfaced on either side. Wanna keep playing that game, as Russia's ability to control its weapons deteriorates every day? I Don't. China ditto - dunno the Chinese for doverai, proverai (Obviously 'reduce' was the exact wrong! word, above. D'Oh.)
Post #5,576 by wharris2 8/17/01 4:46:46 AM Reply	What is ideal? Trust but verify. Missile defense system available to both Russia and US. We deploy, they deploy. Global arms tensions reduce. Since we can bash their missiles and they can bash our missiles, we both reduce. oh nevermind early morning/late night pipe dream
Post #5,583 by Ashton 8/17/01 7:16:05 AM Reply	An excellent solution: ABMs for all. It may prove to be the only workable solution, in the end. A lose/lose deterrent and a win/win standing down of every hair trigger with verification, inspection, documentation: allowed by both sides because the alternative - though we have (I have!) lived through it since '47 - is unthinkable, is simply M.A.D. A. If it's a pipe dream, it's good stuff
Post #5,720 by wharris2 8/17/01 10:58:43 PM Reply	giggling wildly Ashton agreeing with me? Heheheh French Zombies are zapping me with lasers!
Post #5,726 by Ashton 8/18/01 2:17:49 AM Reply	..only in your rare moments of relative.... lucidity :-\ufffd
Post #5,831 by wharris2 8/19/01 12:20:52 PM Reply	my rare moments? French Zombies are zapping me with lasers!

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