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New Bolshevism in America.
I saw the 3 "suspects" who had their car stopped in Florida and some of their bags blown up on I-75. Turns out that 1) they didn't run the toll booth 2) only one of them speaks Arabic 3) they're medical students 4) the hospital where they were doing rotations has had numerous threats, 5) they aren't terrorists, 6) they're aren't going to sue anyone, etc. In short, the "breaking news" was all wrong. Of course the shrew that called in the code orange, "report your neighbor", panic alert maintains the three were "rejoicing about 9/11/01 and said, 'Wait until they see 9/13/02'." The three deny it, but what's been missing about this is even if they did say it, it IS THEIR RIGHT to say it. Since when do we lock people up for 17 hours for saying something?

Cyrill was a very good friend of my father's. I met him when I was a tot (9 years old) at his home in Leningrad. He had been arrested and sentenced to 5 years in Siberia (or perhaps it was 10?) for the following crime:

He made the following statement: "There is no freedom of speech in the Soviet Union."

Now, 17 hours isn't 10 years, or even 5. But we're on the right track.

bcnu,
Mikem

How long before we have to wear arm-bands?
Expand Edited by mmoffitt Sept. 18, 2002, 10:21:01 AM EDT
Expand Edited by mmoffitt Sept. 18, 2002, 10:22:28 AM EDT
New Chuckle...
I remember first hearing this story at work. My boss and several co-workers were really excited about it.

My first response: "See what happens when you stiff a waitress at Shoney's?"
New Not always free to say what you want
ie: "Fire" in a crowded theater when there isn't one.

Darrell Spice, Jr.

[link|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore

New Sometimes a joke is not funny to others.
[link|http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_399463.html|Case in point.]
[link|http://www.alaskajournal.com/stories/092401/loc_bomb_joke.shtml|Another.]
[link|http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/fls/San%20Martin.html|Another.]

Think about most any group of guys their age while "on the road". My guess is that these guys were a bit punchy and thought they were playing a joke on the lady who was eavesdropping. Now, they don't want to fess up to it and are playing the "racial" card.

You may be free to say anything you want, but then you have to accept the consequences.
Alex

Three things are certain:
Death, taxes and lost data.
Guess which just occurred.

[Windows haiku]
New That's what I suspect
thought they were playing a joke on the lady who was eavesdropping. Now, they don't want to fess up to it and are playing the "racial" card.

[link|http://www.wfsb.com/global/Frameset.asp?P=/Global/story.asp?S=934089|Terror threat may have been a hoax]
The men were initially uncooperative and later gave conflicting accounts to investigators, Hunter said.
conflicting accounts tend to lower credibility

Darrell Spice, Jr.

[link|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore

New True...but there is a difference
between joking about a bomb being on a plane and joking around a table in a restaurant.

Or, at least there used to be a difference.
New Re: True...but there is a difference
The difference is that between an action and an attitude. I've argued this before, but I'll rehash it. If you are driving perfectly while drunk, in my mind you've committed no crime and are culpable for nothing. Yet we have a vast prosecutorial enterprise to punish this kind of "crime", and now almost everyone believes it's a good thing to make a crime out of the combination of two legal actions.

Of course, the correct thing to do is to make injury or property damage resulting from drunk driving a crime, with stiff penalties.

Justice collapses when it tries to modulate behavior, instead of punishing actual wrongdoing - defined by an episode in which actual harm is done to real persons or groups.
-drl
New Would you rather
that it wasn't followed up on?

We know the results from when they [link|http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/front/1579812|didn't follow up on leads]
In August 1998, U.S. intelligence learned that a "group of unidentified Arabs planned to fly an explosive-laden plane from a foreign country into the World Trade Center," says the report. The report was given to the Federal Aviation Administration and FBI, which took little action on it. The group may now be linked to bin Laden, the report says.

Darrell Spice, Jr.

[link|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore

New But They Were Busy on Important Matters...
like investigating a blow-job in the Oval Office then. Don't you remember?
New Ann puts it well
While over-the-top in some aspects, she raises some interesting points in this [link|http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3204|article]
AN AMERICAN CITIZEN overheard three Muslims at a Shoney's restaurant laughing about Sept. 11 over breakfast.
...
Despite the racist hysteria sweeping the nation, the police did not rush out and start rounding up Arabs. They interviewed Stone in person to evaluate her credibility and corroborate her story.
...
That night, a little after midnight, one of the two cars being driven by the Muslims ran a toll booth -- at least according to everyone but these beacons of truth. Law enforcement officials soon descended on the cars. According to accounts in The New York Times, the men were uncooperative, refused to answer basic questions, gave false information and told contradictory stories.
...
Naturally, therefore, the men and their families accused Americans, especially Southerners, of being ignorant racists. "Just because of the way we look or the way we choose to live our lives, we're persecuted," said the sister of one. Demonstrating her own open-mindedness, she explained the entire incident by saying, "Unfortunately, they stopped in a restaurant in Georgia." No prejudice in that.
...
By my count, the Muslims have given at least five versions of what happened. Eunice Stone has given one consistent story. She has been interrogated by law enforcement officials and is corroborated by another witness.

According to the Boston Globe, the Three Stooges first told law enforcement officers they did it on purpose. Stone, they said, was watching them too closely and this got the poor little darlings' undies in a bundle. So they decided to scare her. One year after Muslims murdered thousands of people on American soil, evidently it's rude to look at three Muslim men decked out in Arabic garb.
...
Third, they tried out the hysterical-woman defense -- used to great effect by Democrats in the Clinton era. One of the Muslims tauntingly demanded to know "how many other people witnessed this event that supposedly took place, first of all?" Well, at least one other person. Stone's son was there and he heard the conversation exactly the same way. He just thought the men were playing his mother and him for suckers.
...
While I could be jumping the gun -- the night is still young -- it now appears that their final answer is: They were talking about a car. They didn't say anything about 9/11 or 9/13, but the "bring it down" bon mot referred to bringing a car down to Florida. This occurred to them only after meeting with their lawyers. Oh, OK.

No one in the press has bothered to investigate the "car" story further. No one believes them, so what's the point? It would be like chasing down Gennifer Flowers to ask her if it really happened only "once."
...
Instead of preying on America's hatred of prejudice, these aspiring Scottsboro Boys should capitalize on America's capacity for forgiveness, admit they did something really stupid, and stop lying.

Darrell Spice, Jr.

[link|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore

New Damn it! They didn't "run the toll booth".
Fer Christ's sake, stop perpetuating the b.s.!
New Moreover, ...
They won. Game over. When we so bastardize the Constitution that we can no longer recognize it, they've won.
New Not quite yet.. wait for other shoe to drop.
It's just possible that W imagines he can rush right in to that Tar Baby waiting for him - regardless of all opinion local and remote. If he oversteps precipitately AND the congress wakes from its year-long torpor:

The Patriot Act, Ashcroft and watch-what-you-say Ari et al.. may be looking for new employment = the likely sacrificial attack-dogs to sidestep an impeachment for Real high crimes and misdemeanors.

Unlikely yes. But thinkable: just how rash IS Junior? a sittin there with his bagman and the codes; gettin all impatient to avenge Dad. Hey he choked on a pretzel once, so -



Ashton
New The human race isn't breeding for intellect anymore.
New personally I breed for pleasure WFYB
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

qui mori didicit servire dedidicit
New That's good. The human race needs more pleasure.
There are entirely too many stick-up-their-ass wannabe fascists out there.

Piss-off the Puritans!
New were we ever?

Darrell Spice, Jr.

[link|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore

     Bolshevism in America. - (mmoffitt) - (16)
         Chuckle... - (Simon_Jester)
         Not always free to say what you want - (SpiceWare)
         Sometimes a joke is not funny to others. - (a6l6e6x) - (13)
             That's what I suspect - (SpiceWare) - (8)
                 True...but there is a difference - (Simon_Jester) - (4)
                     Re: True...but there is a difference - (deSitter)
                     Would you rather - (SpiceWare) - (1)
                         But They Were Busy on Important Matters... - (mmoffitt)
                     Ann puts it well - (SpiceWare)
                 Damn it! They didn't "run the toll booth". - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                     Moreover, ... - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                         Not quite yet.. wait for other shoe to drop. - (Ashton)
             The human race isn't breeding for intellect anymore. -NT - (Brandioch) - (3)
                 personally I breed for pleasure WFYB -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                     That's good. The human race needs more pleasure. - (Brandioch)
                 were we ever? -NT - (SpiceWare)

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