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New What an opening
"C++ projects would NEVER be just 2 weeks."

Well of course not. You can't get a correctly written "Hello World" done in C++ in 2 weeks. I mean, there's all the constructors, and the destructors, and then either implementation or hiding of the copy constructors and the operator= just to have a minimally correct class, plus the memory management profiling and all that time spent with purify reconciling the different object ownership policies in the vendor libraries. Thats if you don't use templates. If you use templates, well god help you.

I'm only half kidding.

I think Java is a garbage dump. But C++ is the Love Canal of application development environments.

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Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:40:26 AM EDT
New Don't forget...
... if the vendor library used Forte to compile, and you're using gcc, all the name mangling will be wrong...
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New Yes but C++ encourages open source!
Because you can never count on getting compatible binaries.

Actually, so does [link|http://jode.sourceforge.net/|Java].

Its getting harder and harder to rely on compilation to protect intellectual property - which I think is good - since I'm in favor of Lessig's 10 year copyright limitation for software and requirement to escrow and publish source.

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Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:41:31 AM EDT
New Re: Yes but C++ encourages open source!
At first I interpreted your message to mean "I don't expect compilers to agree on code." Is that what you meant? If so, then that's really F.Ued.
-drl
New long been that way
I remember an app speced by one party that was to be flogged to a 3rd party who found out and wanted the source as it was their security system. Without going into details the app was built partly in c partly in gnu c with api's to bison. After the dust settled and the source xfred the new guy never could compile the code even though he had instructions as which went where.
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bill
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New That's Hideous
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         Easy stuff maintenance mode - (boxley)
         Wow! - (deSitter)
         Java was "hot" - (broomberg) - (12)
             What an opening - (tuberculosis) - (5)
                 Don't forget... - (admin) - (4)
                     Yes but C++ encourages open source! - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                         Re: Yes but C++ encourages open source! - (deSitter) - (1)
                             long been that way - (boxley)
                     That's Hideous -NT - (deSitter)
             Java was "hot" (add outsourcing?) - (wharris2) - (5)
                 Interesting comments. - (static) - (4)
                     Wince - (wharris2) - (3)
                         Which way? - (static) - (2)
                             Re: Which way? - (wharris2) - (1)
                                 Yes, that's what I thought you meant. :-) - (static)
         Intersting graph... - (Simon_Jester)

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