Post #49,886
8/20/02 9:37:40 AM
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How to merge twikIWeThey and zIWeThey
Best of both worlds, maybe. But it would take frames. Top (or left, user-configurable)[1] frame has Twiki. Bottom (or right, ibid.) has zIWeThey. Bottom frame is discussion about the Twiki topic in the top frame. New Twiki pages aut-generate top-level posts in a Twiki section on zIWeThey. Yeah, I know this would involve slapping some duct tape around the two systems, but It Seems Easy Enough To Me (tm). Other than the technical feasibility, what are people's thoughts on this? [1] [ascii art] _________________________
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Post #49,913
8/20/02 12:23:14 PM
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Benefits? Costs?
It sounds interesting, but one of the great things about zIWeThey is that it's fast and simple. It runs well over a modem.
To be sure I understand, you're advocating discussion of a 2-way TWiki-fied zIWeThey? Every existing forum would end up with a parallel TWiki forum (making the TWiki IWeThey forums dynamic), right?
Other than the TWiki benefits (a big one being searching, Wikiwords, etc.), what would it get us?
Would it be possible to continue to read and post to a non-TWiki version (and have the software take care of TWiki-fiing it)? E.g. I'd like to have the option of not having the TWiki frame present.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #49,921
8/20/02 12:50:01 PM
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I was thinking the other direction
Every existing forum would end up with a parallel TWiki forum (making the TWiki IWeThey forums dynamic), right? I was thinking more in terms of giving each TWiki topic it's own zIWeThey forum. TWiki is great for refining documents, but not so much for discussion. Thus if someone has a proposed change to a TWiki page, they have to edit the page itself. By dynamically generating a zIWeThey forum for each TWiki topic, we have a place to discuss the topic without modifying it. Thus the TWiki can stand on its own as a reference. I've tried to think of a case where I'd want to auto-generate TWiki topics from zIWeThey forums, but I can't. I was think exclusively of going the other direction. If you are looking just at the TWiki, you don't have to know there is an associated forum, though I would include a link at the bottom, eg: "To discuss this ... " That way admins could lock pages to a named group while still allowing wide-open discussion below. If you are looking just at zIWeThey there would be a category heading, "TWiki Discussion." Each topic under this would be the corresponding WikiWord. If I were doing the interface, I would have this category be a special-case that defaults to collapsed on the front page. ===
Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978|Andrew Grygus]
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Post #49,950
8/20/02 5:35:43 PM
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Suggested prelim action -
Add another link on all pages a la 'Edit Preferences' to: [TWiki].
May I suggest for Notice! TWiki for the first month or two?
BTW - thanx all, for the obvious effort and refinement of the emerging TWiki To Rulez the World, straighten out bizness, politics and end Fuzzy Thinking In Our Time \ufffd \ufffd
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Post #50,004
8/21/02 8:19:25 AM
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And another. Scott?
How about this: Create a new TWiki Discussion category. Then we can manually create topics to match any TWiki topics that rate some discussion.
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Post #50,008
8/21/02 9:01:40 AM
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If we do that, then how about a page 1 reorganization too.
One of the things I worried about with the site here was keeping track of URIs so that if a search was done information could be found.
But since searching (via Google) doesn't seem to work anymore (at least the last I tried), then it's not so much of an issue.
If we add a TWiki forum, then maybe simultaneously some of the forums could be consolidated into a low-traffic area. It would lessen the scrolling needed on the first page.
Or not, it's not a major concern. Hmmm, is there a sorting option for the first page forums, to push those with new messages to the top? It might be handy, but might be confusing if the groupings got messed up....
If we ever do get searching working well, I think the zIWeThey page organization would have to become rather static so links don't break.
I think the TWiki is a neat concept, but haven't had time to play with it. Seeing discussion here about it is a good thing, IMHO.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #50,011
8/21/02 9:08:47 AM
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Care to write a search?
That's on the [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/SourceCode/TODO|TODO] list. I'm sure Scott would love the help. If you know Postgres and have the time ...
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Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978|Andrew Grygus]
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Post #50,022
8/21/02 10:20:51 AM
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I would help, but know nothing about the tools, etc. :-(
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Post #50,382
8/24/02 3:45:09 PM
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All your posts are belong to us!
Could you have a script written in ZIWE to take each post and then import it into a Twiki table/file? Have it so that someone with Admin status can review a post, and hit an "Export" button that only they can see which can move the whole post or thread into a Twiki area? Just a thought.
After all, you don't want everything moved to Twiki, right?
Dual Citizenship of account names will not work, as Twiki will not accept some of the account names used here in ZIWE. For example, Cable4096 verses CaBle, and yes the "B" had to be capitalized or else it would not take it. The name, was given as "Ca Ble" as "Cable" was not acceptable. We should be able to use handles, right?
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Post #50,401
8/25/02 2:18:19 AM
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On handles
Personally, I take the approach that I don't write anything on Duh Intarweb that I'm afraid to put my name to.
Go read the instructions again. Your username has to be a WikiWord.
And who filled in the WikiWord that doesn't have a definition yet? Grr.
Peter
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Post #50,503
9/4/02 9:01:20 PM
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Fine, I am using my real name there
I am also setting up my own TWiki, and I'll allow handles there.
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