Mozilla 0.9.3 - The Aston Martin Vanquish Of Web Browsers

Post #4,760 by pwhysall 8/12/01 5:26:54 PM Reply	Mozilla 0.9.3 - The Aston Martin Vanquish Of Web Browsers Meaning, this thing is fast. Faster than ANYTHING. It's kicking ass all over the shop on my PC. Here, I've got IE5, IE6 (on WinXP), Opera 5, and Mozilla 0.9.3. It's a PIII 800, with 256MB of RAM and Windows 2000 - not flash, but no slouch. (If you've got a slow PC, expect all but Opera to struggle. I'm not interested in hearing how Mozilla sucks on Win 9x. Get a proper OS already. Memory is extremely cheap right now.) With the turbo option enabled, Mozilla opens faster than IE5/6. And way faster than Opera. Page rendering is just in a league of its own. Not only does it properly respect font choices and sizes, and Just Work, it does it very fast indeed. You need to download this browser. I don't care what OS you run. Get it. Now. (Hell, there's even a PCSI for VMS - what's YOUR excuse?) Vanquish? Wossat? Quite simply the most [link\|http://www.fast-autos.net/vanquish.jpg\|beautiful] car ever built. Its 6 litre engine produces a stonking 450BHP which makes it plenty fast, with a top speed of 190MPH. 0-6 is 4.5 seconds. -- Peter Shill For Hire
Post #4,766 by a6l6e6x 8/12/01 5:53:50 PM Reply	0-6 is 4.5 seconds? I can do better on a bicycle! :) Yes, I know you mean 0-60 mph. Alex Only two things are certain: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not certain about the universe. -- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Post #4,770 by kmself 8/12/01 6:08:02 PM Reply	Fast? dillo For pure raw speed and miniscule footprint, [link\|http://dillo.sourceforge.net/\|dillo] can't be beat. Source is 250KB, binary < 200KB. It's not a full-featured browser, and it remains under development. Currently (0.6.0), it's alpha code, though pretty stable, featureset is small: no cookies, no copy-from-browser, no authentication (I can't log into zIWETHEY). The development team's currently really exited over getting tables working. But for quick, simple, browsing, it's hot. Design intent is small systems, with much reference to iPaq in configuration docs. As for Moz, I'll wager that the Gecko-based browsers (Galeon, Skipstone) will beat it for speed when they catch up with recent mods. Both Galeon and Skipstone have been busted up pretty badly in the last week, though dev is making up the difference. I'm writing this in Skipstone presently. I still find Moz FUgly. -- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
Post #4,773 by pwhysall 8/12/01 7:04:03 PM Reply	Amusing typo "The development team's currently really exited over getting tables working." I had a vision of them all jumping off a high building out of sheer delight.... -- Peter Shill For Hire
Post #4,780 by kmself 8/12/01 8:24:11 PM Reply	Hmmm... Tabula rasa defenestration? -- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
Post #4,950 by kmself 8/13/01 8:10:20 PM Reply	Ladles & Jellybeans: Galeon 0.11.5! As suspected, faster, lighter, fewer memory leaks, and a few UI tweaks, mostly better. I didn't realize how much I've come to depend on this browser until I didn't have it. Skipstone, Dillo, and w3m filled in bravely, but don't quite measure up. Peter, strongly suggest you take a look at this puppy, at least under Linux. OK, and a request: anyone got a good idea on how to write an MS Word mime type handler utilizing `antiword`, `less`, and a terminal window? Galeon wants to use StarOffice. I say puke!...and nevermind, I got it. See the galeon-user mailing list for details. -- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
Post #5,010 by static 8/14/01 1:14:10 AM Reply	You looked at OpenOffice yet? I read somewhere that it's mostly usable... and it's in proper components like Star Office isn't. Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #5,239 by kmself 8/15/01 5:30:45 AM Reply	No -- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
Post #5,297 by pwhysall 8/15/01 2:22:32 PM Reply	Oi. Linkage and requirements? I'm running a very current GNOME 1.4 (I'm tracking Evolution nightlies) on Red Hat 7.0.90 (Fisher). -- Peter Shill For Hire
Post #5,390 by kmself 8/16/01 5:49:14 AM Reply	RPMs at project site [link\|http://galeon.sourceforge.net/download.html\|[link\|http://galeon.sourceforge.net/download.html\|http://galeon.sourc...ownload.html]] Otherwise: a shitload of GNOME libs, and the appropriate version of mozilla. From current Debian: Package: galeon Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: web Installed-Size: 3620 Maintainer: Jared Johnson (Debian) <solomon@futureks.net> Version: 0.11.5-1 Depends: gconf (>= 1.0.3), gdk-imlib1 (>= 1.9.10-5), libart2 (>= 1.2.13-5), libaudiofile0, libc6 (>= 2.2.3-7), libdb3 (>= 3.2.9-1), libesd0 (>= 0.2.22-4) \| libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.22-4), libgconf11 (>= 1.0.3), libgdk-pixbuf2 (>= 0.11.0-2), libglade-gnome0, libglade0, libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0), libgnome-vfs0 (>= 1.0.1), libgnome32 (>= 1.2.13-5), libgnomesupport0 (>= 1.2.13-5), libgnomeui32 (>= 1.2.13-5), libgnorba27 (>= 1.2.13-5), libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-1), liboaf0 (>= 0.6.5), liborbit0 (>= 0.5.8), libpanel-applet0 (>= 1.4.0.2-3), libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2, libxml1 (>= 1:1.8.14-3), oaf (>= 0.6.5), xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.3), mozilla-browser (>= 2:0.9.3), mozilla-mailnews (>= 2:0.9.3), libxml1 (>= 1.8.14), libpanel-applet0 Suggests: gtm Conflicts: mozilla-browser (>= 2:0.9.4), mozilla-mailnews (>= 2:0.9.4) Conffiles: /etc/sound/events/galeon.soundlist a28407fd42b9c1ba0b2eec3f9bc339d3 Description: Mozilla based web browser with GNOME look and feel Galeon is a fast, simple web browser employing the GNOME infrastructure to create a minimal, but robust, GUI. . Galeon's use of Mozilla's Gecko rendering engine makes it more feature complete and standards compliant than many other browers available. -- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
Post #4,804 by static 8/12/01 10:44:35 PM Reply	What turbo option? What does it turn off to gain the extra speed? And where is it in preferences? If you say "it's a command line switch", I'll reply "that's a bug: it should be in the preferences box". Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #4,836 by pwhysall 8/13/01 5:52:39 AM Reply	Quick Launch Edit->Preferences->Advanced. Tick the box. Mozilla will now start at lightning speed. I've officially given up on Opera now. I don't like the interface, it has now lost the only advantage it had (speed), and the adware aspect bugs the snot out of me. When it didn't work with my online banking, that was the last straw. Mozilla lets me count my shekels, or non-shekels as the case may be. I'm going with the Free option - because, like all Free software, eventually it becomes better than the rest. (cf Emacs, GCC, GNU Text Utils, Apache, Perl) -- Peter Shill For Hire
Post #4,837 by static 8/13/01 6:21:46 AM Reply	Then stop calling it Turbo, please. The fact that it probably should be ticked by default is another issue. Or that there's an even an option... But thanks for pointing it out. Of course, there are other reasons people prefer Opera. I did spend some weeks using Mozilla on Linux - it felt like a big step backwards, with so many two-key shortcuts that Opera does in one, and for the SDI* model that divides followers (Opera, as you know uses an MDI model). It could be argued that non-free software helps make free software better. But I wasn't going to argue that; just mention that it could be argued. FWIW, my online banking probably won't work with Moz - they explicitly say no support for Netscape 6[link\|http://www.stgeorge.com.au/code/int_bank/about/supported_browsers.asp\|on the page] and that would probably mean Moz, too. It doesn't work for Opera, but that's okay - I can and do use their telephone system instead. OTOH, I have emailed them asking them to please improve their standards compliance so that they won't have to be so fussy. I should email them again just so they know I'm still waiting. Wade. * I got it right this time, CRC! "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #4,848 by pwhysall 8/13/01 9:50:41 AM Reply	I call it Turbo because that's what it used to be called in previous builds. Bite me :-) It's not ticked by default because it uses a lot of memory. At least with Mozilla you get the choice; most of Internet Explorer is loaded at all times whether you like it or not. -- Peter Shill For Hire
Post #5,008 by static 8/14/01 1:11:29 AM Reply	Right. Consider yourself bitten. MUNCH! [grin] Interesting trade-off, memory for speed... Hmm. Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #5,028 by Steve Lowe 8/14/01 10:23:30 AM Reply	To be fair, You're both right From the release notes for 0.9.3: [link\|http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla0.9.3/\|http://www.mozilla....ozilla0.9.3/] * Quick Launch (AKA Turbo Mode) now works with multiple profiles. ----- Steve
Post #4,937 by drewk 8/13/01 6:40:33 PM Reply	Tick which box? I don't see any that seem to speed up the launching. This is my sig. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Post #5,300 by addison 8/15/01 2:37:30 PM Reply	Doesnt' run on Solaris. At least the binary available. Might try to build, later, but I've yet to do that successfully. Not that it not running will surprise many people (I'm shocked I got .9.2 working). So, are you saying its like a British car, cause it breaks often and is a pain to repair? :) Addison
Post #6,358 by addison 8/22/01 3:44:27 PM Reply	Don't build, neither. And this looks like a straight untested makefile error.. I fixed the first one, manually. (After a lot of futzing around to get it to ACTUALLY look at gtk-config and glib-config, at, golly gee, WHERE I TOLD IT WITH --with-gtk-exec-prefix and --with-glib-exec-prefix) Now I get: make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/addison/93/mozilla/nsprpub/pr/include/private' cd obsolete; make export make[4]: Entering directory `/home/addison/93/mozilla/nsprpub/pr/include/obsolete' ../../../config/./nsinstall -R -m 444 /home/addison/93/mozilla/dist/include/nspr/obsolete usage: ../../../config/./nsinstall [-C cwd] [-L linkprefix] [-m mode] [-o owner] [-g group] [-DdltR] file [file ...] directory make[4]: * [export] Error 2 make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/addison/93/mozilla/nsprpub/pr/include/obsolete' make[3]: * [export] Error 2 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/addison/93/mozilla/nsprpub/pr/include' make[2]: * [export] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/addison/93/mozilla/nsprpub/pr' make[1]: * [export] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/addison/93/mozilla/nsprpub' make: *** [export] Error 2 Grrr. the prior one has a variable undefined that actually tells it what arch config file to copy. Peter: want me to put a 110 mHz Sparc online so you can build it? :) Addison
Post #6,367 by pwhysall 8/22/01 4:24:27 PM Reply	Re: Don't build, neither. Feh, that's what you get for using proprietary software :-) Have you filed this as a bug at bugzilla.mozilla.org? I don't want to have to build anything on a 110MHz SPARC, ta very much :) -- Peter Shill For Hire
Post #6,395 by addison 8/22/01 10:47:07 PM Reply	Re: Don't build, neither. Feh, that's what you get for using proprietary software :-) Mozilla? Have you filed this as a bug at bugzilla.mozilla.org? Nope. didn't keep good enough notes. Might retry tomorrow, but time doesn't look good. Addison
Post #7,079 by addison 8/29/01 10:49:52 AM Reply	OK, I give. I give. I've been trying and trying. No luck. libIDL's website isn't reachable. (I've seen comments that ORBit has it. It won't build, either. Doesn't matter how )$^@^@$&@#& explicitly I spell out for it where glib libs and glib-config are, it won't listen. (And even editing by hand I couldn't get everything, apparently). I give. I filed a couple bugreps with Mozilla. They closed 'em. Said one was GNU make (Though I didn't understand that), said another was a dupe. (though they didn't reference WHAT it was a dupe of, which I would have greatly preferred). (last system I used like that, you could close as a dupe, and you had to manually go in and put what it was a dupe of, which was fine, as long as people did that, then when you pulled it up later... but anyway). I'm tired. Mozilla still doesn't run (past .8, I got it running with built-libs and an edited script. The 2 solaris binaries up and die. (the xlib one apparently I don't have a (unspecified) needed package. At least Opera is working relatively well, even if its colors are all horqued up on this display. Got to go try and straighten out some messy boxes, that the previous admin waited for someone else to get assigned.... And I've got an SGI behind me, ick, I know.. but SGI's got KDE and GNOME ported, so I want to see how they look. And maybe I can get a Sparc to put Gnome on (sorry, Ximian, but you Ain't Getting A Prod Box When you've horqued Redhat up as much as you have on my home box). (and why in the (*&$ can't I install as non-root?) Anybody finds a Solaris 2.7 Mozilla build, I'd love to know about it. :) Addison
Post #7,084 by Another Scott 8/29/01 11:21:59 AM Reply	I assume you've tried this.... [link\|http://www.sunfreeware.com/notes.html\|[link\|http://www.sunfreeware.com/notes.html\|http://www.sunfreeware.com/notes.html]] and the Mozilla notes at [link\|http://www.sunfreeware.com/programlist.html\|[link\|http://www.sunfreeware.com/programlist.html\|http://www.sunfreew...ramlist.html]] (I know nothing about this stuff, just trying to help.) Good luck. Cheers, Scott.
Post #7,085 by addison 8/29/01 11:50:08 AM Reply	Yep That's ~9.2, and yeah, I got that working. But wanted to see if Peter's comments about .9.3 were true. And apparently, they are! It doesn't work, JUST like an English car! :) Addison (ducking and covering)
Post #7,086 by Another Scott 8/29/01 11:53:01 AM Reply	:->
Post #6,989 by CRConrad 8/28/01 1:36:27 PM Reply	Too bad it's just a freaking Jaguar - and powered by Ford!
Post #7,028 by Ashton 8/28/01 6:46:12 PM Reply	..really know how to hurt a guy, huh :[__________________:-\ufffd
Post #6,998 by wharris2 8/28/01 2:28:27 PM Reply	Erk, 0.9.2 ate my bookmarks! Having not found a convenient time to download 0.9.3, I've still been working with 0.9.2 - and sometime this past week, it ate my user settings (I had two users set up) and all my bookmarks. What? I do have a couple good bookmark files, but import bookmarks doesn't seem to work (at least with 0.9.2). Anyone experienced anything like this? French Zombies are zapping me with lasers!
Post #7,442 by Andrew Grygus 9/1/01 7:21:29 AM Reply	Well, I tried the OS/2 version of 0.9.(something) . . . . . . and it was pretty nice, but every fourth or fifth time you used the back button it froze up solid, so I had to go back to the 02-28-01 build. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]

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