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New Red Herring
If the discussion was...

Clinton: "Insure the children" vs Republicans: "No plan at all"

...you might have a point. But you said the Republicans had no alternative to "Universal Health Care" and Universal Health Care, at least as proposed by Clinton was about a lot more than just about insuring children. That's the point to wish I said (by making the reverse point sarcastically) that no plan is sometimes better than a bad plan.

In other words, equating opposition to Clinton's plan as opposition to insuring children is a strawman argument that attempts to dodge the issue with an emotional ploy
Jay O'Connor

"Going places unmapped
to do things unplanned
to people unsuspecting"
New Red Herring part 2
Not to mention that the Clinton health care plan was developed behind closed doors in secret meetings, against the law.
French Zombies are zapping me with lasers!
New Hmm...behind closed doors....
Sort of like Cheney's energy policy?
New Doesn't bother me too much in this case...
...as I'm more objecting to the logical bait-and-switch than the particulars
Jay O'Connor

"Going places unmapped
to do things unplanned
to people unsuspecting"
New Narrowing the focus.
"But you said the Republicans had no alternative to "Universal Health Care" and Universal Health Care, at least as proposed by Clinton was about a lot more than just about insuring children."

Yep, but that was the example I used.

Yep, there was more to it than just children.

But children make such an easy emotional target.

"That's the point to wish I said (by making the reverse point sarcastically) that no plan is sometimes better than a bad plan."

Ah, but is that true in this specific instance?

"In other words, equating opposition to Clinton's plan as opposition to insuring children is a strawman argument that attempts to dodge the issue with an emotional ploy"

Yes and no. It is an emotional ploy. It is not a strawman. And it doesn't dodge the issue.

Universal Health Care was proposed. By a Democrat (I can't say "liberal") and defeated.

The Republicans have not offered any counter plan.

Children are still uninsured.

Again, the easy emotional tie is that CERTAIN PEOPLE are INSENSITIVE to the NEEDS OF THE CHILDREN.

While CERTAIN OTHER PEOPLE are CARING about the NEEDS OF THE CHILDREN.

Of course, in theory, a bad plan could be worse than no plan.

But this is the real world, not a theoretical construct.

So, in theory, does not apply.

Actions and results are all that matter.

Those poor, poor children. *sobs*

Who will care for those poor, poor children? *sobs*
     Tom Tomorrow's Left Wing Wacko Test - are you Man Enough? - (Ashton) - (70)
         That is the correct way of using the word - (boxley) - (69)
             Most enlightening, thank you. - (warmachine) - (67)
                 But heaven help you if you propose... - (bepatient) - (65)
                     What's stopping you - (DonRichards) - (62)
                         I do... - (bepatient) - (61)
                             And that's the crux of the problem... - (addison) - (13)
                                 It is an issue...and a better example - (bepatient) - (12)
                                     Let me get this straight - (mhuber) - (10)
                                         Reading is fun...damental - (bepatient) - (9)
                                             OK, I'll try again: - (mhuber) - (8)
                                                 ok...lets see... - (bepatient) - (7)
                                                     Who is this "they" you keep referencing? - (DonRichards) - (3)
                                                         Ah...the innocent... - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                             Point taken - (DonRichards) - (1)
                                                                 bada bing! - (boxley)
                                                     No, I honestly don't - (mhuber) - (2)
                                                         No...its not "usual"... - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                             You are a victim of your times... for now - (screamer)
                                     DoE(ddication) - (addison)
                             That's the problem, isn't it? - (DonRichards) - (46)
                                 I think you missed something... - (screamer) - (45)
                                     Really? - (Brandioch) - (44)
                                         Really... Notice the selective memory now? - (screamer) - (34)
                                             Really? - (Brandioch) - (32)
                                                 Really - (screamer) - (31)
                                                     Really. - (Brandioch) - (30)
                                                         C'mon now... - (bepatient) - (25)
                                                             Well, you're right on one thing. - (Brandioch) - (24)
                                                                 There is no argument so dubious - (wharris2)
                                                                 Well thats my point - (bepatient) - (22)
                                                                     Not that I want to get involved..but a timeline - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                                                                         Heh, amidst the noise (then).. - (Ashton)
                                                                     And the Republican's alternative was? - (Brandioch) - (19)
                                                                         So doing something stupid is better than doing nothing? -NT - (Fearless Freep) - (18)
                                                                             Unclear your referent - - (Ashton)
                                                                             If I may quote Bill. - (Brandioch) - (16)
                                                                                 Earth to Brandioch - (bepatient) - (10)
                                                                                     Earth here, send transmission. - (Brandioch) - (9)
                                                                                         I did...your decoder ring is set to the wrong frequency. - (bepatient) - (8)
                                                                                             Message decoded. - (Brandioch) - (7)
                                                                                                 Unfair.. - (Ashton)
                                                                                                 look up -NT - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                                                                     I see.... - (Brandioch) - (1)
                                                                                                         block grants for welfare to the communities - (boxley)
                                                                                                 Wow, and you say that's not a straw man - (drewk) - (2)
                                                                                                     Re: Wow, and you say that's not a straw man - (jb4) - (1)
                                                                                                         No, it'd be ... - (drewk)
                                                                                 Red Herring - (Fearless Freep) - (4)
                                                                                     Red Herring part 2 - (wharris2) - (2)
                                                                                         Hmm...behind closed doors.... - (Simon_Jester)
                                                                                         Doesn't bother me too much in this case... - (Fearless Freep)
                                                                                     Narrowing the focus. - (Brandioch)
                                                         swung left and had scabs on it :) -NT - (boxley)
                                                         Watch out now, you may just get this moved to - (screamer) - (1)
                                                             And the part you're skipping over..... - (Brandioch)
                                                         and by the way... Really. ;-> -NT - (screamer)
                                             My memory is not selective in this case - (ben_tilly)
                                         Oh please.... - (bepatient)
                                         Now what was it that whacked this thread? - (wharris2) - (7)
                                             Bill Oxley's Aleut browser again, or mine: Admin? - (Ashton) - (6)
                                                 That's not what "Show One Only" means - (admin) - (5)
                                                     No, I don't need to reword it. - (admin)
                                                     That's what I thought it meant: - (Ashton) - (3)
                                                         Yes, Show One Comment Only is in comment view only - (admin) - (2)
                                                             WebWasher filter! Again - as with login. - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                                 Hmm, sounds like a cache issue or something. - (admin)
                     Just send them checks to me. - (Brandioch)
                     Got sources for that claim? - (kelzer)
                 On "compassion" and getting older... - (screamer)
             Hey Bill - can ya keep yer margins a bit smaller L/R? - (Ashton)

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