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New The Grapes of Revisionism?
[link|http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/20/jun02/steinbeck.htm|Life's not always how they show it in the movies]

Excerpt:

We were born on it, and we got killed on it, died on it. Even if it's no good, it's still ours. That's what makes it ours-being born on it, working on it, dying on it. That makes ownership, not a paper with numbers on it.

I say:

Working on it? I'm all for the sweat equity theory of ownership. But what of what the hunter gatherers who were there first? They didn't really work on it or develop it at all, but they did the being born and getting killed parts. (Hey boxley. That's your cue. And don't forget, the mound builders were already many centuries dead and forgotten, so don't bring them up.)

Excerpt:

Steinbeck identified the wrong culprit. In two separate studies of the plight of southern tenant farmers in the 1930s, the historians David Eugene Conrad and Donald H. Grubbs have blamed not the banks but the agricultural policies of the New Deal itself. In the early 1930s, some sixty percent of farms in Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Texas were operated by tenants. However, during the Depression they found themselves victims of Franklin Roosevelt's 1933 Agricultural Adjustment Act, which required landlords to reduce their cotton acreage. Fortified by AAA subsidies, the landlords evicted their tenants and consolidated their holdings. It was government handouts, not bank demands, that led these landlords to buy tractors and decrease their reliance on tenant families.

I say:

But central planning worked in the Soviet Union! Oh wait. No it didn't. never mind.
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Truth is that which is the case. Accept no substitutes.
If competence is considered "hubris" then may I and my country always be as "arrogant" as we can possibly manage.
New Add to the list of things Marlowe dont know sh*t about
Farming.
I am really starting to suspect that in real life you are a public school teacher :)
American History of Oklahoma, briefly
Inhabited by Southern Plains indians
The US government thought it was so shitty the called it Indian Territory and moved all the Eastern tribes there.
Dam immigrants needed land so they put the remaining Indians under the process of termination a term by which the government gave each Indian 160 acres and terminated all rights as a tribe but the government kept the right to buy or sell the Indians land under him and take care of all of his money which promptly dissapeared. They then started the great land rush where settlers staked 160 acre homesteads.
The plains of oklahoma are a piss poor place for farming so a guy would need a thousand acres to make a living. A lot of the homesteaders didnt make it. Drought, insects infestation and poor farming techniques caused a lot of grief.
During the Depression a lot of farms failed for various reasons and the workers migrated to other areas.
As for the poetic license of Steinbeck, What was shown in the movies did happen then just as it happens today. Farm workers are treated worse than cattle
[link|http://www.sptimes.com/News/081601/State/For_slavery__man_to_s.shtml|slavery modern american style]
thanx,
Bill
TAM ARIS QUAM ARMIPOTENS
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         Add to the list of things Marlowe dont know sh*t about - (boxley)

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