How did Vindman “fsck someone over royally,” please?

Post #432,520 by rcareaga 2/8/20 1:11:47 PM 2/8/20 1:11:47 PM Reply	How did Vindman “fsck someone over royally,” please? If, for example, I witness a hit-and-run, get the license plate, make & model, and phone this into the authorities, have I “fucked over” the driver? And Vindman’s brother? What did he do that got him fired? uncordially,
Post #432,522 by a6l6e6x 2/8/20 5:51:46 PM 2/8/20 5:51:46 PM Reply	Re: What did he do that got him fired? Jeez, he picked the same mother and birth probably just minutes away from brother Alex. Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov
Post #432,523 by boxley 2/8/20 7:23:47 PM 2/8/20 7:23:47 PM Reply	Re: How did Vindman “fsck someone over royally,” please? let me adjust your model a little bit if, for example, I witness a hit-and-run by a cop during a chase, get the license plate, make & model, and phone this into the Dept of Justice, have I “fucked over” the driver? if the cop was let off you might want to move out of that neighborhood "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #432,527 by drook 2/8/20 11:24:52 PM 2/8/20 11:24:52 PM Reply	Do you realize that confirms the problem, not refutes it? -- Drew
Post #432,529 by boxley 2/8/20 11:48:25 PM 2/8/20 11:48:25 PM Reply	yes it confirms the problem, screw someone powerful over and if they are aquitted watch yer ass Defining the problem was that trump was behaving in the same manner that he perceived that biden behaved. Being vindictive after everyone goes after trump jr and Ivanka he thought he would show the world that the biden and heinz kids had enough dough from tagging around after Joe with their hands out. Vindeman (I am assuming here) was appalled that foreign policy was done that way (bullshit, he speaks the language and knows the culture) and reported up the chain of command. Either he was naive or should have done a complete Joe Friday under oath. Either way he was gone. It didnt help that he was lauded as a savior of the world as the very mccarthyesqe house approach of "reds under every trump bed" campaign roiled on. It didnt help that biden then or now is not his political rival, he isnt even in the top 3 of dems. Pelosi rightly saw impeachment as a political hit that would bite her in the ass. She was pushed into it and it may cost the party the 2020 election. I sincerely hope that is not the caee. "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #432,572 by Ashton 2/11/20 12:58:23 AM 2/11/20 12:58:23 AM Reply	"The Problem" you are speaking of is clear: [Long-form, lest there be any case for misunderestimating the content, too-few words? or too many hi-falutin ones?] DO I DO? "the right thing" (as any functioning-Citizen of a non-Authoritarian Republic understands): its ethos, folkways, mores and all that too-many-words 'granularity' thing. as a conflicted-one tries to define-to death, "RIGHT THING®™". -OR- Do I put on my Tinfoil-Hat?--aka--What If I'm in my car, "surveilling" and my stop-lights come on and blow my cover ... kinda amateur-Spook-for-life persona, and: I See that: "there's some Risk Here! ... IF I DO The Right Thing". Some. How. something* BAD might ... ... happpen to me? Perhaps a jolt of ƒeare oer'crows [that brief dose of endorphins?] as usually accompany any Right-Thing actually DONE, eh? * Every time you put key-in-ignition you enter the Risk-zone next. Ah-but: how Much? risk. DECISION-tree there: so is that your Problem then? aka Is it often? ever? Door #1 or is it 'situational Ethics 101R'? [rhetorical question, of course] Yer not under Voir Dire in a courtroom, just here in folksy IWE-101-Professional, where the oaths are usually on Egads!-scale, even with the F-word bandied about. Carrion: the Land of ??? Decisions, I've heard.
Post #432,565 by rcareaga 2/10/20 7:27:21 PM 2/10/20 7:27:21 PM Reply	Move to strike as nonresponsive Answer the fucking question: whatever the consequences, how did Vindman “fuck over” Trump by telling the truth? It may be that you cannot comprehend this, of course.
Post #432,566 by boxley 2/10/20 7:41:54 PM 2/10/20 7:41:54 PM Reply	which truth are you refering to? On page 316, Vindman claims that Trump "demanded" investigations from Zelenskiy in return for military aid, but that's Vindman's opinion, not fact. He admitted that the actual words spoken during the call don't support that claim: "I think people want to hear, you know, what they have as already preconceived notions." Vindman's damning admission is found on page 256 of the transcript. "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #432,576 by CRConrad 2/11/20 7:23:58 AM 2/11/20 7:23:58 AM Reply	Where did you copy that from? "Damning admission" doesn't ring all that BOxlish. -- Christian R. Conrad The Man Who (used to think he) Knows Fucking Everything Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
Post #432,578 by mmoffitt 2/11/20 8:20:35 AM 2/11/20 8:20:35 AM Reply	townhall.com Link provided. https://townhall.com/columnists/betsymccaughey/2019/11/18/vindmans-claims-dont-hold-up-n2556671 Opinion piece from Betsy McCaughey, the former Republican Lt. Governor of NY. To get a feel for what she's like, I offer the below. The Democrats want impeachment to disgrace President Donald Trump "for life" and tilt the 2020 election. Not if Senator Lindsey Graham has his way. Graham is proposing post-impeachment investigations by the Senate to "get to the bottom" of the Democrats' impeachment hoax. That will pin the disgrace where it belongs — on the party that dragged the nation through an unwarranted ordeal. Meanwhile, Vice President Pence is urging the country to "acquit and move on." The Washington Post reports many Republican Senators feel the same. Not so fast. It's not time to move on. These Senate investigations will be essential both to uncover House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff's intrigue in engineering the whistleblower complaint and to expose the solid reasons Trump had for asking the president of Ukraine to help the U.S. investigate the Bidens. https://www.creators.com/read/betsy-mccaughey In short, the source of the quote is a RWN. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #432,580 by boxley 2/11/20 10:11:33 AM 2/11/20 10:11:33 AM Reply	no, the source of the quote was vindeman "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #432,581 by mmoffitt 2/11/20 10:15:47 AM 2/11/20 10:15:47 AM Reply	Nice try. Your post. On page 316, Vindman claims that Trump "demanded" investigations from Zelenskiy in return for military aid, but that's Vindman's opinion, not fact. He admitted that the actual words spoken during the call don't support that claim: "I think people want to hear, you know, what they have as already preconceived notions." Vindman's damning admission is found on page 256 of the transcript. RWN Opinion piece from link I provided. On page 316, Vindman claims that Trump "demanded" investigations from Zelenskiy in return for military aid, but that's Vindman's opinion, not fact. He admitted that the actual words spoken during the call don't support that claim: "I think people want to hear, you know, what they have as already preconceived notions." Vindman's damning admission is found on page 256 of the transcript. Eerily similar, no? bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #432,583 by boxley 2/11/20 12:31:48 PM 2/11/20 12:31:48 PM Reply	sigh, page 256 is npr a RWN as well now? https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=6543468-Alexander-Vindman-Testimony I think people want to hear, you know, what they have as already preconceived notions. "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #432,584 by crazy 2/11/20 4:27:16 PM 2/11/20 4:27:16 PM Reply	Jesus wept box You are in troll mode. You're not as stupid as you would like to seem.
Post #432,586 by rcareaga 2/11/20 5:14:47 PM 2/11/20 5:14:47 PM Reply	“You are in troll mode” I hate to break it to you, but from Oakland this afternoon it seems pretty certain that the sun is going to set in the west later today. cordially,
Post #432,590 by CRConrad 2/11/20 5:38:36 PM 2/11/20 5:38:36 PM Reply	Maybe not, but if he so desperately wants to be seen as such, why shouldn't he be despised as such?
Post #432,589 by CRConrad 2/11/20 5:31:49 PM 2/11/20 5:31:49 PM Reply	I was talking about the CHARACTERIZATION OF Vindemans quote, not the quote itself. The TWO WORDS I quoted from your post were: 1) Outside the quote marks delimiting the words attributed to him, and 2) Hardly something anyone would call their own words. When did you last talk about anything you had said as a "damning admission"? -- Christian R. Conrad The Man Who (used to think he) Knows Fucking Everything Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
Post #432,618 by boxley 2/12/20 10:12:50 PM 2/12/20 10:13:01 PM Reply	I would have spelled it damming, but you knew that "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman Edited by boxley Feb. 12, 2020, 10:13:01 PM EST Expand All History

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