The thing I can't get my head around.

Post #431,470 by mmoffitt 10/30/19 10:22:46 AM 10/30/19 10:22:46 AM Reply	The thing I can't get my head around. Wales and England are apparently happy to dissolve the United Kingdom at least as far as concerns Northern Ireland. In effect, NI remains in the EU, but Scotland, Wales and England are out. How do the Brexiteers square this with their demand to "be an independent country free from the tyranny of the [SIC] un-elected bureaucrats in the EU Parliament?" Does NI simply not matter to them? bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #431,472 by drook 10/30/19 2:28:33 PM 10/30/19 2:28:33 PM Reply	Rules for thee, not for me We want to be independent. No one said we wanted you to be independent. -- Drew
Post #431,474 by CRConrad 10/30/19 6:12:05 PM 10/30/19 6:12:05 PM Reply	Also: How long will it take until the United Kingdom is down to England and Wales, minus Scotland?
Post #431,477 by Andrew Grygus 10/30/19 9:25:16 PM 10/30/19 9:25:16 PM Reply	What? Isn't Wales demanding independence yet?
Post #431,480 by pwhysall 10/31/19 4:24:25 AM 10/31/19 4:24:25 AM Reply	Probably. No-one cares, though, including most of the Welsh. They're probably more concerned about their utter shitshow of a performance against RSA last Sunday, and the upcoming drubbing against the All Blacks.
Post #431,483 by mmoffitt 10/31/19 8:43:35 AM 10/31/19 8:48:21 AM Reply	Remain won in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Only England and Wales voted Leave. Maybe fortify/rebuild Hadrian's Wall and finally make it the border between Scotland and England, with it serving as the border between the UK and the EU as well? bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again. Edited by mmoffitt Oct. 31, 2019, 08:48:21 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #431,484 by pwhysall 10/31/19 10:11:50 AM 10/31/19 10:11:50 AM Reply	The heavily leave-voting Cumbrians and Northumbrians won't like that None of Hadrian's Wall is in modern-day Scotland, and it has never defined the England/Scotland border. It runs roughly from Newcastle, past Carlisle, through to the Solway Firth.
Post #431,485 by mmoffitt 10/31/19 10:30:10 AM 10/31/19 10:30:10 AM Reply	I'm aware it never had been the Scottish border, but I thought it was close enough. Apologies. I think the Leave/Remain voter split in your country is very like our Red/Blue voter split over here. I don't see how either set of divisions can be reconciled. I'm increasingly being led to believe that neither Brits nor Americans are governable as a whole. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #431,476 by scoenye 10/30/19 6:56:51 PM 10/30/19 6:56:51 PM Reply	About that EU Parliament One thing that has been mostly under the radar so far is that it gets the final say on the agreement assuming the UK Parliament accepts it. Although they can't make changes, they can block the agreement if they do not like the proposed implementation by the UK. Right now, there are decided rumblings. E.g. the UK promised an independent body to safeguard the rights of current EU ex-pats but that body is now shaping up to be a subsidiary of the Home Office.

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