Post #429,821
7/15/19 10:12:42 AM
7/15/19 10:12:42 AM
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Biden campaign's compulsive lying kicks into gear.
Biden's campaign characterized the proposal as a return to what Obama had originally sought in 2009, when he unsuccessfully lobbied the then Democratic-run Congress to include a public option in the law.
"We're starting with the Affordable Care Act as the base and going to insist on the elements that we sought last time -- and we'll get them this time," a senior Biden campaign official said. https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/15/politics/joe-biden-health-care-plan-obamacare-public-option/index.htmlSeriously? That is an Orwellian rewrite of history worthy of Trump.
bcnu, Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #429,828
7/15/19 6:28:13 PM
7/15/19 6:28:13 PM
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you not gonna beleive the lyin NYT are you :-)
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
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Post #429,840
7/15/19 11:18:12 PM
7/15/19 11:18:12 PM
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"The perfect is the enemy of the good."
Obamacare barely squeezed by. If that item was nor dropped, Obamacare would not have happened at all.
Alex
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
-- Isaac Asimov
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Post #429,841
7/15/19 11:22:35 PM
7/15/19 11:22:35 PM
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that bill was bought and paid for by the insurance companies
sure it gave people access by stripping access from people with decent plans. Todays offerings suck horribly compared to what was available earlier. Sure the insurance companies went along to ensure the poor but also ensured that people would have to py extremely high premiums with family deducatables that gre from $400 per family deductables to $7500 family deductables but paying the same rates. It was a rippoff from the getgo
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
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Post #429,843
7/15/19 11:32:08 PM
7/15/19 11:32:08 PM
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Sure, it expanded the market.
The hospitals, with fewer non-paying patients, liked it too.
Only the death panels didn't benefit.
Alex
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
-- Isaac Asimov
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Post #429,846
7/16/19 8:10:39 AM
7/16/19 8:10:39 AM
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Care to back up your FALSE claim?
it gave people access by stripping access from people with decent plans. No, it didn't. It gave people access by expanding Medicaid (you know, the EVIL single payer option that must not be allowed to extend to all of us). The plans that were outlawed were SCAMS of the first order. So called "Catastrophic Plans" that were a catastrophe to all those who got bilked out the premiums for them.
bcnu, Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #429,850
7/16/19 9:07:56 PM
7/16/19 9:07:56 PM
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care to back up your false claim about my accurate claim?
they were called cadillac plans and a draconian tax was put on any company that DARED to offer healthcare with a low deductable. My plan at the ISP was $400 per month family with a $750 annual deductible for a blue cross plan.
After Obamacare the price went to $850 with a $7500 annual deductable and higher co-pays because the prior plan was deemed cadillac and a hefty tax bill came with it so was no longer offered.
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
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Post #429,854
7/17/19 5:13:00 AM
7/17/19 5:13:00 AM
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And that, in a nutshell...
...is why insurance-based healthcare systems, unless super-heavily-regulated, are actual donkey balls.
You pay more, get worse care, and die sooner. Yay!
I'd ask "why do USians tolerate it?", but the answer is "statistically speaking, everyone in America thinks they're a temporarily embarrassed millionaire, so obviously healthcare is cheap when you've got millions to play with".
If the penny ever drops - that no, Fiona, you're not going to join the 1%, ever - then things will change.
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Post #429,855
7/17/19 6:47:32 AM
7/17/19 1:39:35 PM
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We should make people watch Ratatouille until they understand Ego's review
In the past, I have made no secret of my disdain for Chef Gusteau’s famous motto, “Anyone can cook.” But I realize — only now do I truly understand what he meant. Not everyone can become a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere. That also applies to being president it getting rich. [edit - tyop]
Edited by drook
July 17, 2019, 01:39:35 PM EDT
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Post #429,857
7/17/19 8:32:37 AM
7/17/19 8:36:13 AM
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Tell that to Farage.
bcnu, Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
Edited by mmoffitt
July 17, 2019, 08:36:13 AM EDT
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Post #429,875
7/18/19 8:38:25 AM
7/18/19 8:38:25 AM
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He won't hear me
The sound will be excessively muffled by Donald's arse-cheeks.
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Post #429,878
7/18/19 2:51:13 PM
7/18/19 2:51:13 PM
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He's smart enough though..
to have realized that Satire is the best weapon against him and all who ride in her. (Successfully?) censor the Beeb and ... it's a big Win for this mofo.
It's not Good that he's enough-smart to grok this :-/
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Post #429,856
7/17/19 8:14:33 AM
7/17/19 8:14:33 AM
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Nice try.
Your *employer* stripped you of that plan. Not the ACA. Rather than pay the tax, *they* dropped your plan. Why? Because shareholders!
bcnu, Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #429,859
7/17/19 11:36:40 AM
7/17/19 11:36:40 AM
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private company
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
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Post #429,860
7/17/19 1:30:50 PM
7/17/19 1:30:50 PM
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Private companies have shareholders, too. HTH.
bcnu, Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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