No...its not "usual"...

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Picture of bepatient

8/8/01 7:12:18 PM

No...its not "usual"...

...and there is where the fault lies...its the way in which one political side treats the other...and is generally not reciprocated.

And around here I expect to have noone recognize that fact...so its not really surprising that you don't see it.

Um...er...well...

I have no choice!

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]

Post #4,370

Picture of screamer

8/9/01 11:46:16 AM

You are a victim of your times... for now

I saw Arthur M. Schlessinger speak one time at a University and he brought up an interesting point about American politics. The liberal viewpoint and the conservative viewpoint are like a pendulum that swings to the left or the right (liberal to conservative) and over again, about every 10-15 years - never reaching an equillibrium.

Popular thought (and dare I say "acceptable" thought) in the mid 80's revolved around the Churchill saying, "anyone with a heart under thiry years old is a liberal, anyone with a brain over thirty years old is a conservative". Notice that popular thinkspeak at that time was tilted to the right extreme... you are smart if you are conservative and "have heart" but aren't smart if you are liberal - this is not so different from modern thinkspeak like you can't be a "compassionate conservative", n'est ce pas? You, being an Economist, tend to look at things from a capitalist Economist's standpoint (I emphasize "capitalist"), that most things the private sector do are goooooood and most things the government does are baaaaad. Which from a strictly free enterprise capitalist's point of view is pretty true.

The problem lies in the fact that government IS necessary to curb runaway capitalism (i.e. Go to the Cuyahoga river and eat some fish caught there...) and they can sometimes be good. The heart and the head are both necessary for a person to survive.

I've heard Rush Limbaugh say things like "there is no such thing as a moderate Republican", "feminazi's", "tree huggers", etc... This kind of inflammatory crap thinking is quoted often and then is associated with "conservativism" (I think he says his show is the "center for conservative studies"). Perhaps foreign countries hear his program? If that is their definition of what an "American conservative" is, God help conservatives... Rush is no more a conservative than Bill Clinton is a liberal... but if noone challenges fools like Limbaugh and actually pay him hundreds of millions of dollars (yes, that's right, he signed a $125,000,000 20 year deal!!!), then they may deserve to be characterised as fools themselves...

I'm all over the map now, but you should take heart... a swing to the right is coming! If only I can endure another one... I'll try to enjoy the moment of equillibrium...

Just quite a few political thoughts,

Screamer

"Putting the fun back into funatic"

Tom Tomorrow's Left Wing Wacko Test - are you Man Enough? - (Ashton) - (70) - Aug. 8, 2001, 05:42:53 AM EDT

That is the correct way of using the word - (boxley) - (69) - Aug. 8, 2001, 08:29:24 AM EDT

Most enlightening, thank you. - (warmachine) - (67) - Aug. 8, 2001, 09:40:24 AM EDT

But heaven help you if you propose... - (bepatient) - (65) - Aug. 8, 2001, 11:37:47 AM EDT

What's stopping you - (DonRichards) - (62) - Aug. 8, 2001, 11:45:14 AM EDT

I do... - (bepatient) - (61) - Aug. 8, 2001, 11:48:37 AM EDT

And that's the crux of the problem... - (addison) - (13) - Aug. 8, 2001, 11:55:05 AM EDT

It is an issue...and a better example - (bepatient) - (12) - Aug. 8, 2001, 12:06:49 PM EDT

Let me get this straight - (mhuber) - (10) - Aug. 8, 2001, 12:57:54 PM EDT

Reading is fun...damental - (bepatient) - (9) - Aug. 8, 2001, 03:32:25 PM EDT

OK, I'll try again: - (mhuber) - (8) - Aug. 8, 2001, 03:59:21 PM EDT

ok...lets see... - (bepatient) - (7) - Aug. 8, 2001, 04:06:52 PM EDT

Who is this "they" you keep referencing? - (DonRichards) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2001, 04:31:23 PM EDT

Ah...the innocent... - (bepatient) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2001, 04:49:27 PM EDT

Point taken - (DonRichards) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2001, 04:54:26 PM EDT

bada bing! - (boxley) - Aug. 8, 2001, 08:42:31 PM EDT

No, I honestly don't - (mhuber) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2001, 05:18:50 PM EDT

No...its not "usual"... - (bepatient) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2001, 07:12:18 PM EDT

You are a victim of your times... for now - (screamer) - Aug. 9, 2001, 11:46:16 AM EDT

DoE(ddication) - (addison) - Aug. 8, 2001, 01:56:03 PM EDT

That's the problem, isn't it? - (DonRichards) - (46) - Aug. 8, 2001, 11:59:19 AM EDT

I think you missed something... - (screamer) - (45) - Aug. 8, 2001, 12:33:54 PM EDT

Really? - (Brandioch) - (44) - Aug. 8, 2001, 01:45:00 PM EDT

Really... Notice the selective memory now? - (screamer) - (34) - Aug. 8, 2001, 02:22:33 PM EDT

Really? - (Brandioch) - (32) - Aug. 8, 2001, 05:09:37 PM EDT

Really - (screamer) - (31) - Aug. 8, 2001, 06:24:48 PM EDT

Really. - (Brandioch) - (30) - Aug. 9, 2001, 08:17:09 AM EDT

C'mon now... - (bepatient) - (25) - Aug. 9, 2001, 11:24:38 AM EDT

Well, you're right on one thing. - (Brandioch) - (24) - Aug. 9, 2001, 12:44:13 PM EDT

There is no argument so dubious - (wharris2) - Aug. 9, 2001, 12:53:02 PM EDT

Well thats my point - (bepatient) - (22) - Aug. 9, 2001, 03:03:56 PM EDT

Not that I want to get involved..but a timeline - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2001, 03:37:18 PM EDT

Heh, amidst the noise (then).. - (Ashton) - Aug. 9, 2001, 07:25:03 PM EDT

And the Republican's alternative was? - (Brandioch) - (19) - Aug. 9, 2001, 04:49:53 PM EDT

So doing something stupid is better than doing nothing? -NT - (Fearless Freep) - (18) - Aug. 9, 2001, 04:54:20 PM EDT

Unclear your referent - - (Ashton) - Aug. 9, 2001, 07:41:12 PM EDT

If I may quote Bill. - (Brandioch) - (16) - Aug. 9, 2001, 07:48:59 PM EDT

Earth to Brandioch - (bepatient) - (10) - Aug. 9, 2001, 10:47:19 PM EDT

Earth here, send transmission. - (Brandioch) - (9) - Aug. 10, 2001, 04:31:37 PM EDT

I did...your decoder ring is set to the wrong frequency. - (bepatient) - (8) - Aug. 11, 2001, 12:46:17 AM EDT

Message decoded. - (Brandioch) - (7) - Aug. 11, 2001, 12:40:19 PM EDT

Unfair.. - (Ashton) - Aug. 11, 2001, 06:15:44 PM EDT

look up -NT - (bepatient) - (2) - Aug. 11, 2001, 06:21:27 PM EDT

I see.... - (Brandioch) - (1) - Aug. 11, 2001, 07:13:19 PM EDT

block grants for welfare to the communities - (boxley) - Aug. 11, 2001, 09:00:58 PM EDT

Wow, and you say that's not a straw man - (drewk) - (2) - Aug. 13, 2001, 01:15:50 PM EDT

Re: Wow, and you say that's not a straw man - (jb4) - (1) - Aug. 13, 2001, 02:17:24 PM EDT

No, it'd be ... - (drewk) - Aug. 13, 2001, 03:21:32 PM EDT

Red Herring - (Fearless Freep) - (4) - Aug. 10, 2001, 12:01:26 PM EDT

Red Herring part 2 - (wharris2) - (2) - Aug. 10, 2001, 12:03:52 PM EDT

Hmm...behind closed doors.... - (Simon_Jester) - Aug. 10, 2001, 12:08:37 PM EDT

Doesn't bother me too much in this case... - (Fearless Freep) - Aug. 10, 2001, 12:13:56 PM EDT

Narrowing the focus. - (Brandioch) - Aug. 10, 2001, 06:13:15 PM EDT

swung left and had scabs on it :) -NT - (boxley) - Aug. 9, 2001, 12:18:43 PM EDT

Watch out now, you may just get this moved to - (screamer) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2001, 01:51:21 PM EDT

And the part you're skipping over..... - (Brandioch) - Aug. 9, 2001, 08:14:13 PM EDT

and by the way... Really. ;-> -NT - (screamer) - Aug. 9, 2001, 02:02:24 PM EDT

My memory is not selective in this case - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 9, 2001, 07:44:23 PM EDT

Oh please.... - (bepatient) - Aug. 8, 2001, 03:34:07 PM EDT

Now what was it that whacked this thread? - (wharris2) - (7) - Aug. 9, 2001, 12:19:49 PM EDT

Bill Oxley's Aleut browser again, or mine: Admin? - (Ashton) - (6) - Aug. 9, 2001, 08:07:18 PM EDT

That's not what "Show One Only" means - (admin) - (5) - Aug. 9, 2001, 08:14:48 PM EDT

No, I don't need to reword it. - (admin) - Aug. 9, 2001, 08:18:54 PM EDT

That's what I thought it meant: - (Ashton) - (3) - Aug. 9, 2001, 08:26:48 PM EDT

Yes, Show One Comment Only is in comment view only - (admin) - (2) - Aug. 9, 2001, 08:50:08 PM EDT

WebWasher filter! Again - as with login. - (Ashton) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2001, 10:06:31 PM EDT

Hmm, sounds like a cache issue or something. - (admin) - Aug. 9, 2001, 10:10:51 PM EDT

Just send them checks to me. - (Brandioch) - Aug. 8, 2001, 01:40:06 PM EDT

Got sources for that claim? - (kelzer) - Aug. 8, 2001, 02:25:47 PM EDT

On "compassion" and getting older... - (screamer) - Aug. 8, 2001, 01:41:25 PM EDT

Hey Bill - can ya keep yer margins a bit smaller L/R? - (Ashton) - Aug. 8, 2001, 04:46:23 PM EDT

But clearly, it's unreasonable to use a sledge hammer to drive upholstery tacks.
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