Wow! Scott! You were right about Bernie all along! Mea Culpa!

Politico from April 2016:

Sen. Bernie Sanders on Sunday dismissed criticism that he hasn't released his full tax returns, even though Democratic rival Hillary Clinton has released eight years worth.

Pushed by Jake Tapper on CNN's "State of the Union" over why he only released a 2014 summary of his returns, the Vermont senator said he'd release as much as he can, but said the process may take some time.

"You know who does our tax returns? My wife does our tax returns. We have been a little bit busy lately," Sanders said. Tapper told Sanders he was "kind of surprised" the Vermont senator hadn't "gone further on transparency."

Sanders said he would work to make as much of his personal tax information public as soon as possible, but said expectations should be tempered for what will be revealed.

"There ain't going to be very much exciting in that. I get a salary from the United States Senate," Sanders said.

"Our financial situation, to the best of my knowledge, has not changed very much, but we will get out all of that information as soon as we can," he promised.

Yeah, it only took him 3 years. (groucho-roll-eyes.gif)

He's incompetent. You shouldn't support him. No Democrat should support him (he's still not a Democrat, you know).

Cheers,
Scott.

Seriously, if not releasing non-new information is the strongest criticism you have in order to claim incompetence, well, I feel sorry for you. His supporters didn't care (and still don't - we *knew* there was nothing there and we've been proven right about that).

There was nothing really suspect about how Bernie earned his money (where's Hillary's bankster speech transcripts again?). Of course Clinton had to have her taxes turned over. She was and is a multi-millionaire whose wealth, at least in part, came from highly dubious sources (remember those Wall Street speeches?).

Sure, Bernie's a millionaire now due to his book sales, but he plainly, flatly wasn't when all the Hillary apologists were clamoring to see Bernie's taxes, despite his decades of financial disclosures. And guess what? Now that he *IS* a millionaire running for President, he released his taxes.

I shouldn't support Bernie because he is the sort of Genuine Democrat that caused me to join the Party in the first place over 40 years ago? I should, what? Fall in line behind the groping plagiarist so the credit card companies get a win? I think not.

The truth is I don't known whom or if I'll support anyone that's running. The Murican people clearly aren't worth any better government than we have now, the gobshites, and I hope and believe my kids have the good sense to GTFO of here before they're too old.

Post #428,576 by mmoffitt 4/25/19 12:25:06 PM 4/25/19 12:25:06 PM Reply	Wow! Scott! You were right about Bernie all along! Mea Culpa! His and his wife's adjusted income in the year immediately preceding the 2016 election was a whopping 240 Grand!!111!11!!!!1!ONE!!! And just look at all the plunder from the five years leading up to the election! 2015: 240,610 2014: 205,271 2013: 278,779 2012: 280,954 2011: 324,870 https://www.berniesanders.com/tax-returns/ With that kind of obscene wealth, he must have been in somebody's pocket, right? I mean, what a scoundrel! No wonder he "hid" his tax returns! Why, in the year 2011 he made *almost as much as Hillary* did by giving Wall Street banks three 45 minute talks! Outrageous! Obscene! Unconscionable! bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #428,577 by boxley 4/25/19 12:28:58 PM 4/25/19 12:28:58 PM Reply	:-) "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #428,582 by Ashton 4/25/19 3:59:52 PM 4/25/19 3:59:52 PM Reply	Not only that.. his Fortunes dropped those three years.. (He ain't even very good at the biggest-Game in town: plundering.) Who wants a Loooser!?
Post #428,590 by Another Scott 4/25/19 8:00:06 PM 4/25/19 8:00:06 PM Reply	Re: Wow! Scott! You were right about Bernie all along! Mea Culpa! You'll have to remind me... I seem to recall just asking "why" he wasn't releasing his taxes. Of course, he's a "millionaire" now, from his book sales and whatnot. Bernie spent $444k of campaign dollars on his own books in 2015 Nefarious? Maybe not, but it smells... FWIW. Cheers, Scott.
Post #428,601 by mmoffitt 4/26/19 10:00:46 AM 4/26/19 10:00:46 AM Reply	Re: I seem to recall just asking "why" he wasn't releasing his taxes. Please. You hounded me for my lack of interest in seeing his tax returns. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #428,626 by Another Scott 4/26/19 9:12:52 PM 4/26/19 9:12:52 PM Reply	You didn't think it was strange, curious, disconcerting... that a guy who wanted to lead the most powerful and most important country in the world didn't have things together enough to send the press a copy of his tax returns? Tax returns that the rest of us mere mortal American adults have to file every year? Ok. Cheers, Scott.
Post #428,639 by boxley 4/27/19 10:53:08 PM 4/27/19 10:53:08 PM Reply	what does it give you besides amunition? I would rather see his uni papers "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #428,641 by Another Scott 4/27/19 11:45:25 PM 4/27/19 11:45:25 PM Reply	Why should Bernie be special? Hillary had decades of tax returns released...
Post #428,650 by boxley 4/28/19 5:15:04 PM 4/28/19 5:15:04 PM Reply	and who read them? only oppo researchers "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #428,651 by Another Scott 4/28/19 5:16:18 PM 4/28/19 5:16:18 PM Reply	Very peculiar argument there box.
Post #428,652 by boxley 4/28/19 9:18:34 PM 4/28/19 9:18:34 PM Reply	did you read shrub's, hillary's and obama's? "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #428,653 by Another Scott 4/28/19 9:24:36 PM 4/28/19 9:24:36 PM Reply	I think I did. The point is, Bernie - and Donnie - think that the rules and traditions and norms don't apply to them. Why is that? It's not a good look. My $0.02. Cheers, Scott.
Post #428,655 by mmoffitt 4/29/19 8:13:02 AM 4/29/19 8:13:02 AM Reply	Unlike Drumpf, Bernie had decades of publicly filed financial statements. You're not seriously contending that "They're all the same" with respect to Bernie and Donnie are you? I haven't given his campaign any money yet. In truth, I'm not following things closely at this point - and may not in future. Looking at the crop of Democratic candidates this time, one thought keeps rattling around in my head: Leave it to the Democrats to field the only slate of candidates that could actually lose in 2020. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #428,656 by Another Scott 4/29/19 8:19:33 AM 4/29/19 8:19:33 AM Reply	Yet they didn't release their tax returns. Hmmm...
Post #428,658 by mmoffitt 4/29/19 11:42:13 AM 4/29/19 11:42:13 AM Reply	Still banging on about it, I see. And by "it" I mean "absolutely NOTHING at all." bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #428,674 by Another Scott 4/29/19 11:16:27 PM 4/29/19 11:16:27 PM Reply	I thought the topic was tax returns. Sorry to have stayed on-topic!?
Post #428,676 by mmoffitt 4/30/19 8:30:58 AM 4/30/19 8:30:58 AM Reply	Were the tax returns consistent with the already supplied (in abundance) financial statements? Yes. Of course. Nothing to see here, move along. HTH. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #428,700 by Another Scott 4/30/19 10:50:47 PM 4/30/19 10:50:47 PM Reply	WHY.DID.IT.TAKE.HIM.SO.LONG - is the issue. The man is incompetent. QED.
Post #428,703 by mmoffitt 5/1/19 11:19:08 AM 5/1/19 11:19:08 AM Reply	BECAUSE IT WAS A WASTE OF TIME AND THOSE PAYING ATTENTION KNEW IT. A NOTHINGBURGER DELUXE. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #428,705 by Another Scott 5/1/19 11:41:54 AM 5/1/19 11:41:54 AM Reply	Re: BECAUSE IT WAS A WASTE OF TIME AND THOSE PAYING ATTENTION KNEW IT. A NOTHINGBURGER DELUXE. Politico from April 2016: Sen. Bernie Sanders on Sunday dismissed criticism that he hasn't released his full tax returns, even though Democratic rival Hillary Clinton has released eight years worth. Pushed by Jake Tapper on CNN's "State of the Union" over why he only released a 2014 summary of his returns, the Vermont senator said he'd release as much as he can, but said the process may take some time. "You know who does our tax returns? My wife does our tax returns. We have been a little bit busy lately," Sanders said. Tapper told Sanders he was "kind of surprised" the Vermont senator hadn't "gone further on transparency." Sanders said he would work to make as much of his personal tax information public as soon as possible, but said expectations should be tempered for what will be revealed. "There ain't going to be very much exciting in that. I get a salary from the United States Senate," Sanders said. "Our financial situation, to the best of my knowledge, has not changed very much, but we will get out all of that information as soon as we can," he promised. Yeah, it only took him 3 years. (groucho-roll-eyes.gif) He's incompetent. You shouldn't support him. No Democrat should support him (he's still not a Democrat, you know). Cheers, Scott.
Post #428,710 by mmoffitt 5/1/19 2:38:45 PM 5/1/19 2:38:45 PM Reply	He had a book to write so he could be worth one millionth his primary opponent. Seriously, if not releasing non-new information is the strongest criticism you have in order to claim incompetence, well, I feel sorry for you. His supporters didn't care (and still don't - we knew there was nothing there and we've been proven right about that). There was nothing really suspect about how Bernie earned his money (where's Hillary's bankster speech transcripts again?). Of course Clinton had to have her taxes turned over. She was and is a multi-millionaire whose wealth, at least in part, came from highly dubious sources (remember those Wall Street speeches?). Sure, Bernie's a millionaire now due to his book sales, but he plainly, flatly wasn't when all the Hillary apologists were clamoring to see Bernie's taxes, despite his decades of financial disclosures. And guess what? Now that he IS a millionaire running for President, he released his taxes. I shouldn't support Bernie because he is the sort of Genuine Democrat that caused me to join the Party in the first place over 40 years ago? I should, what? Fall in line behind the groping plagiarist so the credit card companies get a win? I think not. The truth is I don't known whom or if I'll support anyone that's running. The Murican people clearly aren't worth any better government than we have now, the gobshites, and I hope and believe my kids have the good sense to GTFO of here before they're too old. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #428,724 by boxley 5/1/19 5:56:17 PM 5/1/19 5:56:17 PM Reply	cmon now he is still blaming him for hillary's loss, you know, any reason except hillary "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #428,729 by Another Scott 5/1/19 7:23:58 PM 5/1/19 7:23:58 PM Reply	-3 for effort. You can do better than that.
Post #428,735 by drook 5/2/19 7:37:13 AM 5/2/19 7:37:13 AM Reply	Can we wrap this up or start a new thread? Right shift is getting ridiculous. -- Drew
Post #428,740 by pwhysall 5/2/19 11:52:22 AM 5/2/19 11:52:22 AM Reply	Agreed. Also, make your points in the body, not in the subject line.
Post #428,750 by malraux 5/2/19 2:41:22 PM 5/2/19 2:41:22 PM Reply	posts an 8K image without width attributes in the body of a response Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #428,751 by Another Scott 5/2/19 3:52:56 PM 5/2/19 3:52:56 PM Reply	Hey, it saves a click and puts off the heat death of the universe a few attoseconds. It's all good!
Post #428,663 by boxley 4/29/19 3:56:16 PM 4/29/19 3:56:16 PM Reply	too early unless you see a sure fire winner. Last time I donated money it was to that bitch still owes me money If I had waited it would have been better. "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #428,603 by mmoffitt 4/26/19 10:10:28 AM 4/26/19 10:13:03 AM Reply	Finally got it. And the non-trivial rebuttal. Verso was the publisher for an old (definitely not bestselling) book, reprinted in 2015, likely to sell on his campaign website. He received zero in royalties in 2015 and just $6,734 in royalties in 2016 from Verso. I believe the royalties came from Amazon, not campaign, sales. HTH. Why do you hate old White guys so much? bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again. Edited by mmoffitt April 26, 2019, 10:13:03 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #428,627 by Another Scott 4/26/19 9:25:41 PM 4/26/19 9:25:41 PM Reply	... definitely ... likely ... believe... It's one person's opinion. There may be nothing to it, but the way Bernie has difficultly in explaining things, well, we'll never really know. I don't think Bernie is a crook, at least not much of one. But he certainly had no compunction about spending hundreds of thousands from his campaign funds on a whirlwind trip to Rome for no obviously good reason. Cheers, Scott.
Post #428,638 by boxley 4/27/19 10:52:22 PM 4/27/19 10:52:22 PM Reply	its his campaign money he wants to talk to expats elsewherehe is entitled to without your permission "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #428,642 by Another Scott 4/27/19 11:46:02 PM 4/27/19 11:46:02 PM Reply	There are rules and laws about how campaign contributions are spent...
Post #428,593 by a6l6e6x 4/25/19 11:11:15 PM 4/25/19 11:11:15 PM Reply	Jeez, you didn't quote 2016 or 2017 numbers. :) Numbers get into 7 figures there! Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov
Post #428,602 by mmoffitt 4/26/19 10:08:27 AM 4/26/19 10:08:27 AM Reply	Yep. Unsurprising. I find it difficult to criticize someone for making a bunch of money through authoring a book or three (his wife wrote one and he two IIRC). I don't have issues with millionaires who earn their money through actual work, but they're in the tiny minority of the wealthy. Most of the wealthy contribute nothing and receive vast sums of money primarily through two channels: (1) Inheritance. (2) Unearned income. Unearned income ought to be taxed at least 5 times more heavily than earned income and any millionaire and up should have a wealth tax of 90% on all unearned assets. It is a very strong indictment of our economic system and culture that our tax code actually rewards people for refusing to earn anything and instead "make money from money". bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.

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