Erik Loomis at LGM on John McCain.

Post #425,275 by Another Scott 8/26/18 8:37:06 PM 8/26/18 8:37:06 PM Reply	Erik Loomis at LGM on John McCain. http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/08/mccain A not nice, but I think extremely fair, counterpoint to the hagiography of McCain. (via comments at Balloon-Juice) Cheers, Scott.
Post #425,276 by boxley 8/26/18 9:13:11 PM 8/26/18 9:13:11 PM Reply	7 "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #425,279 by Another Scott 8/26/18 9:46:44 PM 8/26/18 9:46:44 PM Reply	More words, please.
Post #425,280 by boxley 8/26/18 9:54:05 PM 8/26/18 9:54:05 PM Reply	7 houses, not 10 "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #425,281 by Another Scott 8/26/18 9:57:33 PM 8/26/18 9:57:33 PM Reply	10 https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/ref/us/politics/mccain-properties.html?ref=politics Hehe. It wasn't the number that did him in, it's that he didn't know how to answer the question in a sensible way. Cheers, Scott.
Post #425,282 by boxley 8/26/18 11:10:47 PM 8/26/18 11:10:47 PM Reply	6 acres of vacant land on opposite bank of Oak Creek is not a house 2 rentals and a vacant lot minus from the 10 is 7 ymmv 3. SECOND UNIT IN PHOENIX, ARIZ., HIGH-RISE Description: 2,074-square-foot condo with 2-1/3 baths. Price Paid: $830,000 When Bought: Aug. 17, 2007, from Drayton Group LLC Owner of Record: Wild River Rental LLC 4. DUPLEX IN PHOENIX TOWNHOUSE COMPLEX, Description: 1,904-square-foot duplex in The Biltmore Lofts with 2-car garage in upscale condo complex Price Paid: $700,000 When Bought: May 24, 2007, from Verl and Judy Werre Owner of Record: Wild River Rental LLC "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #425,283 by Another Scott 8/27/18 12:42:25 AM 8/27/18 12:42:25 AM Reply	11 - 1 (land) = 10. The fact that they rented 2 doesn't change the fact that they owned them. It's all ancient history and doesn't really matter. I doubt that more than a handful of people said, "you know, I was going to vote for McCain except for that house thing..." Cheers, Scott.
Post #425,284 by drook 8/27/18 7:51:26 AM 8/27/18 7:51:26 AM Reply	Should be a cautionary tale for the media ... but won't be I used to think I disagreed with him on a lot of policy issues, but respected his personal integrity. Then during his campaign I read pieces like this one and realized, "Holy shit, this guy is not who they've portrayed him as." Now the best thing they can say about him is that one time he told someone an obvious truth about an opponent. Ok, and uninviting the Donald from his funeral is pretty baller. -- Drew
Post #425,292 by crazy 8/27/18 11:14:16 AM 8/27/18 11:14:16 AM Reply	As I explained to M Who really liked him due to his military stance (sorry MM, my M would be a war criminal if she had a chance): He's a scumbag, but he is far less of a scumbag (at least from outward view) than the group he hangs with, so he seems like a good guy. Bottom line is no matter what he says, he rarely voted in a way I'd consider good. The exception was tanking trump on healthcare.
Post #425,293 by mmoffitt 8/27/18 11:42:33 AM 8/27/18 11:42:33 AM Reply	And that vote was a flip-flop. *Emphasis Mine.* Healthcare Senator McCain believes that the American people should have access to affordable healthcare insurance. But, he strongly disagrees that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is the best solution. *Senator McCain will continue to work with his colleagues in Congress to repeal and replace the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act* for a more financially responsible option that will meet the American public’s continuing need for quality health care at an affordable cost. https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/healthcare bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #425,294 by drook 8/27/18 12:50:05 PM 8/27/18 12:50:05 PM Reply	Probably can't overstate just how much it mattered ... ... when Captain Bone Spurs said, "I like people who weren't captured." I hate that major legislative victories turn on personal vendettas, but I'll take this one. -- Drew
Post #425,295 by mmoffitt 8/27/18 2:05:00 PM 8/27/18 2:05:00 PM Reply	I think it would be surprising how many times that's true. My late dad and I used have this argument about Lenin's motivation. He always said I was "overestimating the personal" with respect to the Bolshevik Revolution and horrific murders of the last of the Romanovs. But I've always held that had Illych not seen the royal family execute his brother at the tender age of 16 he might not have been the revolutionary he became. His family, after all, was not of the peasant class. I've never read this but the brief intro makes it sound as though it is along the lines of what I have always believed. Not many people know that Lenin was baptized as a child. One of the more telling things, imo, about his motivation was his answer to the question, "When did you stop believing in God?" He said, "At age 16." Not coincidentally, his age when he witnessed his brother's execution. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #425,288 by mmoffitt 8/27/18 9:01:03 AM 8/27/18 9:01:03 AM Reply	Thanks. Saw this after I replied to your post in News. ;0) bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #425,290 by drook 8/27/18 10:29:05 AM 8/27/18 10:29:05 AM Reply	And I saw this after I replied to your reply -- Drew
Post #425,304 by rcareaga 8/28/18 12:03:19 PM 8/28/18 12:03:19 PM Reply	alicublog weighs in Loomis’ philippic is of course a bracing corrective to all the cloying panegyrics we’ve seen over the weekend, but I think on the whole that Roy Edroso’s assessment, while relatively unsparing (“McCain was a great advocate of the senseless Iraq War, and a foreign policy belligerent in general; he also foisted on us Sarah Palin, the progenitor of the trend toward wingnut kabuki GOP candidates that got us Trump. And he left a series of fuck-yous to decent democratic governance that persisted right down to the end”), is the more nuanced take. cordially,

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