Re: I'm poo-pooing neither his intent nor the fact of his efforts.

Post #425,011 by Another Scott 8/3/18 12:47:37 PM 8/3/18 12:47:37 PM Reply	Re: I'm poo-pooing neither his intent nor the fact of his efforts. It took actual Americans to put him in the White House. It is, also too, a GOP intent on restricting voting rights to only their supporters. And there is good evidence that that's a big factor in why they keep winning when their policies are unpopular. Your insistence on blaming "stupid" American voters while rarely if ever recognizing that millions of Americans are prevented from voting makes your position easy to dismiss. If it were just "stupid" Americans then there would be no need for voter ID laws and restricted voting hours and under-provisioned voting precincts that drive up voting times and on and on and on. They're restricting voting rights because they know, and we know, that it's the only way they can keep power. *Quit punching down.* Direct your ire at the GOP and Trump and his Minions. Spend more of your calories and dollars working to defeat them. My $0.02. Cheers, Scott.
Post #425,014 by mmoffitt 8/3/18 3:24:34 PM 8/3/18 3:24:34 PM Reply	I'm not punching down, I'm punching the idiots responsible for this. Namely, anyone who has ever voted for a Republican within the last sixty years! How did it come to pass that Republicans are (as you rightly point out) able to gerrymander, restrict voting rights, come up with bullshit voter id laws, etc., in the first place? Because stupid Americans voted for the Republican assholes (and some Democrats who supported Republican Lite policies - anyone come to mind?) who came up with all of that crap. I want Trump (and especially his daughter - God, I think I despise her even more than I despise His Orangeness Himself) to go down in flames. But for that to happen, Democrats have *got to stop blaming the Russians and Comey for Hillary's loss.* It is a losing argument. Democrats need look no further than the Bronx to see how to win and win big. But continuing to blame Comey and the Russians for Hillary's loss is going to cause them to dig in their heels and show back up in November. The goal is to never have them show up again and Trump's already done enough to discourage them and will hopefully do more. But classifying them as "poor, witless victims of Russia" is only inciting them to vote again. Nobody wants that. You cannot enlighten them. You cannot expect them to ever be decent people. They are a subspecies of humanity who, in a just world, would never have had the right to vote in the first place. In short, they are and always will be Republicans. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #425,021 by drook 8/3/18 3:52:19 PM 8/3/18 3:52:19 PM Reply	You think Ocasio-Cortez would have won in Indiana? -- Drew
Post #425,022 by mmoffitt 8/3/18 4:42:05 PM 8/3/18 4:42:05 PM Reply	I know she'd have had a better chance than Hillary or any other establishment Democrat. Which battle do you want to fight? The one you might win or the one where you're dead in the water, right out of the gate? I'm sure Scott will say, "But, but, but Obama won Indiana in 2008 and you said he wouldn't." That actually fortifies my point. WHY did he win in Indiana? Because significant numbers of Hoosiers were duped into thinking they were voting for a Cortez and got yan Republican Lite DLC approved Democrat and what do you think happened in 2012? bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #425,024 by Another Scott 8/3/18 6:22:38 PM 8/3/18 6:22:38 PM Reply	There's a big difference between recognizing what caused Hillary's "loss" (she did get nearly 3M more votes than Donnie) and a campaign strategy. We have good, inspiring candidates, we have good issues, we have enthusiasm and funding and infrastructure to win big in November. Nobody that I know of is campaigning by only saying "Vote for Me because James Comey was a narcissistic monster as FBI director!11 Vote for Me because Donald Trump is a narcissistic monster and a Traitor!!11". Most candidates don't say anything like that at all. It wouldn't make sense. Nobody's running for FBI director or President this fall. :-/ Recognizing that Comey threw the election to Trump, and that Vlad and his Minions did lots of illegal things with the enthusiastic support and assistance of Trump and the GOP, doesn't mean that that's how people are campaigning or that that's the only thing they will work on once they're elected. E.g.: MEET JENNIFER “I believe public service is about working every day to make people’s lives better. That’s why I ran to represent our community in the State Senate, and that’s why I’m running for Congress.” Senator Jennifer Wexton has been serving the people of Northern Virginia for almost two decades, as a prosecutor, an advocate for children, and as a legislator focusing on issues of concern to families. Wexton has a great chance to defeat the odious Comstock in November. And, yes, you are punching down. You spend much more of your time here beating up on Hillary (who isn't running for anything) than you do beating up on Trump and the GOP. Lately, you've spent much more time beating up on voters than you have on discussing non-purity-pony ideas for winning. It's really, really easy to be a critic. It's really, really easy to write off people as being "stupid" or too set in their ways to vote in their (and their children's) best interest. But doing that isn't going to make things better. I'm a big fan of trying to make things better, myself. A big part of that, for me, is doing everything possible so that more people in the USA can vote. Not beating up on voters... FWIW. Cheers, Scott.

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