We live in the best of all possible worlds, then?

Post #424,331 by Another Scott 6/18/18 7:40:40 PM 6/18/18 7:40:40 PM Reply	We live in the best of all possible worlds, then? Detaining unaccompanied minors to investigate whether they might be drug mules for Mexican cartels is a bit different from taking infants from their mothers who are attempting to claim asylum, isn't it?!? It's nice to know that we can't ever make anything better now because OMG The Democrats Did Something Something! (sigh) Cheers, Scott.
Post #424,337 by boxley 6/18/18 9:01:29 PM 6/18/18 9:01:29 PM Reply	I posted one link should I waste my time posting many others that have taken place since Ellis Island to date? I don't think it would change your mind that you think this is brand new, the feds have been doing this since locking up native kids in school jails hundreds of miles away from home since the 1870's. Because el trumpo is the president you think none of this has ever happened before. "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #424,339 by drook 6/18/18 9:04:48 PM 6/18/18 9:04:48 PM Reply	Careful with open flames, wouldn't want to light the straw -- Drew
Post #424,342 by Another Scott 6/18/18 9:14:34 PM 6/18/18 9:14:34 PM Reply	Law of the Excluded Middle. https://web.stanford.edu/~bobonich/glances%20ahead/IV.excluded.middle.html I have another friend who tries to read my mind. You're not any better than he is. ;-) As Peter has remarked on many occasions, "whataboutery" isn't an effective debating technique if one is actually looking to come to a logical conclusion. Hillary and Obama and the Democrats aren't in power now. Sessions and SHS and all the rest of them are lying about the law. There is no federal law that stipulates that children and parents be separated at the border, no matter how families entered the United States. An increase in child detainees separated from parents stemmed directly from a change in enforcement policy repeatedly announced by Sessions in April and May 2018, under which adults (with or without children) are criminally prosecuted for attempting to enter the United States: Obama's ICE didn't take infants away from their mothers who were claiming asylum. We can't change the past. We can only address what is happening now so that we all have a better future. FWIW. Cheers, Scott.
Post #424,346 by boxley 6/18/18 9:26:20 PM 6/18/18 9:26:20 PM Reply	no question we have to change the now, full agreement several bills moving thru the legislative branch, trump said he would sign either one. This misreporting by Members, press & advocacy groups must stop. It is irresponsible and unproductive. As I have said many times before, if you are seeking asylum for your family, there is no reason to break the law and illegally cross between ports of entry. note the difference, go thru a port of entry no separation, haul ass illegally, separation as the adult will be charged. No way I am defending this, just clearing up the fallacy that all kids are separated. "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #424,350 by Another Scott 6/18/18 11:05:17 PM 6/18/18 11:05:17 PM Reply	Except they're closing the ports of entry to asylum seekers... You know this. https://twitter.com/bettycrackerfl/status/1008827695537573888 HTH. Cheers, Scott.
Post #424,353 by drook 6/19/18 7:57:08 AM 6/19/18 7:57:08 AM Reply	Same way they banned marijuana It's not illegal, you just need to buy a tax stamp, same as tobacco. No, you can't buy a tax stamp. -- Drew
Post #424,358 by Another Scott 6/19/18 11:21:36 AM 6/19/18 11:21:36 AM Reply	Re: no question we have to change the now, full agreement https://www.govexec.com/management/2018/06/audio-6-year-old-migrant-girl-tries-navigate-us-detention-system-her-own/149113/?oref=river Yeah, just the same as under Obama... Cheers, Scott.
Post #424,359 by mmoffitt 6/19/18 1:21:01 PM 6/19/18 1:21:01 PM Reply	One thing's the same. Americans are the worst people on earth. Here is the proof. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #424,393 by Ashton 6/21/18 3:13:11 AM 6/21/18 3:13:11 AM Reply	Yes.. yes they are. Awfully-near HALF. (And another quarter for perpetual ennui) aka fecklessness.
Post #424,365 by boxley 6/19/18 7:26:54 PM 6/19/18 7:26:54 PM Reply	lets examine that statement is a bit different from taking infants from their mothers who are attempting to claim asylum, isn't it? not quite https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/06/18/myth-vs-fact-dhs-zero-tolerance-policy In recent months, DHS has seen a staggering increase in the number of illegal aliens using children to pose as family units to gain entry into the United States. From October 2017 to February 2018, there was a 315 percent increase in the number of cases of adults with minors fraudulently posing as “family units” to gain entry. snip and oh this just started now? Myth Prior to April 2017, DHS never separated families arriving at the border. Fact DHS has separated families under the circumstances described above. Because of court decisions, DHS can generally no longer hold families in detention beyond 20 days. "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #424,366 by drook 6/19/18 7:39:30 PM 6/19/18 7:39:30 PM Reply	Half those "myths" are actually strawmen Most of the rest respond by saying "We try ... make every effort ..." etc. without addressing how often the "myth" is actually true. The one number they give is the 315% increase you cite. But how many of the total population does that account for? Has it increased from 0.1% to 0.315%? That one figure doesn't demonstrate whether there's a problem that requires a solution. -- Drew
Post #424,367 by boxley 6/19/18 8:20:32 PM 6/19/18 8:20:32 PM Reply	Same strawmen all over the news casts as true "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #424,370 by a6l6e6x 6/19/18 9:00:09 PM 6/19/18 9:00:09 PM Reply	The 315 percent increase as a total is less tha 1% illegal alien families that show up. And the family separations were ones where an adult was an actual criminal not just someone who crossed the border illegally. Crossing the border is a misdemeanor that can be treated administratively without involving courts. Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov
Post #424,374 by drook 6/19/18 9:35:34 PM 6/19/18 9:35:34 PM Reply	I'm shocked, shocked I say! -- Drew

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