Post #424,093
6/8/18 9:08:23 AM
6/8/18 9:08:23 AM
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Russia finally getting their pay off for "helping" Trump in 2016?
WASHINGTON — President Trump called on the world’s leading economies on Friday to reinstate Russia to the Group of 7 nations four years after it was cast out for annexing Crimea, once again putting him at odds with America’s leading allies in Europe and Asia.
The president made the suggestion to reporters as he headed to Canada for the annual meeting of the G-7, a gathering that already was promising to be crackling with tension over trade, Iran and Mr. Trump’s sharp-edged approach to foreign leaders.
Russia joined the group in the 1990s after emerging from the wreckage of the Soviet Union, making it the G-8, but its armed intervention in its neighbor Ukraine in 2014 and its seizure of the Crimean peninsula isolated it from other major powers.
The remaining members, led by the United States under President Barack Obama, expelled it in a sign of global resolve not to let established international borders be rewritten by force. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/us/politics/trump-russia-g7-readmitted-tariffs.htmlIf we decide to ditch the West and align ourselves with Russia and whatever's left of the Warsaw Pact, will the Republicans go along with it? These are bizarre times. bcnu,
Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #424,094
6/8/18 9:52:02 AM
6/8/18 9:52:02 AM
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Hypothetical
Suppose Hillary had won. And suppose she had attempted to do some of the horrible things you're convinced she would have. Do you think Democrats in Congress would fall in lock-step behind her the way Republicans have for virtually everything Trump has done?
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Post #424,095
6/8/18 10:55:14 AM
6/8/18 10:55:14 AM
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Yes.
I saw it with her husband. I saw it with Obama. The political parties in this country are corrupt to their core. Both of them. You can say that the Democratic party consists of nicer Republicans than the Republican party if you wish. But I'd remind you that it was the Democratic Party who brought you NAFTA, the "End of Welfare as we know it", bank deregulation, the 90's Crime Bill, no consequences for war criminals, the end of Glass-Steagall, no consequences for Wall Street, children in cages at the border, more assassinations by Executive Order than even Dubya accomplished, all but one of them in the Senate voted for the USA Patriot Act, and on and on.
Do you think the Democrats wouldn't line up by Hillary just because their shirts are an arguably lighter shade of brown than the Republicans? bcnu,
Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #424,098
6/8/18 12:58:09 PM
6/8/18 12:58:09 PM
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No
Of the specific bills you mention: Nafta: Republican: 132 Yea, 43 Nay; Democrat: 102 Yea, 156 Nay 90s crime bill: Republican: 46 Yea, 131 Nay; Democrat: 188 Yea, 64 Nay Repeal of Glass-Steagall: Republican: 207 Yea, 5 Nay; Democrat: 155 Yea, 51 Nay One of them more Democrats opposed than supported. The other two were opposed by roughly 1 in 4, and one of those was overwhelmingly a Republican effort. Hate the Clintons all you want. My question was whether lawmakers would line up behind everything Hillary might say. Your evidence fails that test.
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Post #424,100
6/8/18 1:15:42 PM
6/8/18 1:15:42 PM
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Thank you.
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Post #424,101
6/8/18 1:23:52 PM
6/8/18 1:23:52 PM
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Who signed all those?
bcnu,
Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #424,102
6/8/18 2:16:47 PM
6/8/18 2:16:47 PM
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My question was whether the rank-and-file would follow her
You're not helping your argument.
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Post #424,106
6/8/18 3:07:59 PM
6/8/18 3:07:59 PM
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By your own accounting, 67% of the time they did.
bcnu,
Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #424,112
6/8/18 4:18:57 PM
6/8/18 4:18:57 PM
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Of the 5 most recent votes - not counting amendments ...
Republican votes were (with party/against party/not voting): 212 / 16 / 6225 / 2 / 7210 / 19 / 5225 / 3 / 655 / 0 / 1Total: 927 / 40 / 25 Of 992 possible votes, 927 were cast with the party - 93.4%. If you assume the "not voting" were cases where they couldn't bring themselves to vote for it but didn't want to be on the record for breaking with the party, and give a half-vote for each of those it rises to 94.7%. So Republicans have lined up behind Trump at easily more than a 90% rate, after the majority of them opposed him very strongly during the primary. The Democratic party is still badly fractured after the primary, yet you insist they would have fallen in line behind Hillary, and your evidence is that they followed Bill - one of the most popular presidents in modern history - two thirds of the time. Do you think 67% > 93%, or do you think Democrats would have suddenly discovered party discipline had Hillary won?
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Post #424,115
6/8/18 4:38:26 PM
6/8/18 4:38:26 PM
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67% is your number.
bcnu,
Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #424,123
6/8/18 8:25:16 PM
6/8/18 8:25:16 PM
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And I'm asking if you define that number as "following in lockstep"
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Post #424,130
6/8/18 9:27:08 PM
6/8/18 9:27:08 PM
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wouldnt the dnc and the heads of the party enforce that? They did a good job during the election
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
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Post #424,139
6/9/18 1:58:03 PM
6/9/18 1:58:03 PM
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Like I said, it's Putin's pussy Trump!
Unravel Western democracies cohesion, mess up NATO, and mess up EU.
He thinks autocratic US, China, Russia, Turkey and North Korea should control the world. Monarchies by another name. Alex
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
-- Isaac Asimov
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