How to clutch Defeat from the Jaws of Victory AGAIN. A DNC Primer.

Post #423,477 by mmoffitt 4/27/18 9:15:27 AM 4/27/18 9:15:27 AM Reply	How to clutch Defeat from the Jaws of Victory AGAIN. A DNC Primer. Steny Hoyer, the No. 2 Democrat in the House of Representatives, has for years been a prolific campaigner on behalf of current and potential members of Congress. It was no surprise, then, that December found him in Colorado, where the party has hopes of knocking off Republican incumbent Mike Coffman. Before Donald Trump had even been inaugurated, local resistance groups began deluging Coffman’s public appearances, pressing him not to repeal the Affordable Care Act, and putting him back on his political heels. Levi Tillemann, an author, inventor, and former official with the Obama administration’s Energy Department, moved back home to make a run against Coffman. He focused his campaign on clean elections, combatting climate change, “Medicare for All,” free community college, and confronting economic inequality and monopoly power. Another candidate for the nomination, Jason Crow, a corporate lawyer at the powerhouse Colorado firm Holland & Hart and an Army veteran, meanwhile, appeared to have the backing of the Democratic establishment, though it wasn’t explicit. In November, it became clearer, as Crow was named by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee to the party’s “Red to Blue” list, which the committee specifies is not an endorsement but does carry symbolic weight. With Hoyer in Denver, Tillemann met the minority whip at the Hilton Denver Downtown to make the case that the party should stay neutral in the primary and that he had a more plausible path to victory than the same centrism that Coffman had already beaten repeatedly. Hoyer, however, had his own message he wanted to convey: Tillemann should drop out. https://theintercept.com/2018/04/26/steny-hoyer-audio-levi-tillemann/ I'd say, "incredible" but the truth is there's nothing the corrupt DNC can do that would surprise me enough to even raise an eyebrow. In the final analysis, the lesson from 2016's Presidential Election is that Clinton's Democratic Party is so beholden to corporate money that they're actually taking instructions from Wall Street on how *not to win* elections for fear of inadvertently electing one of the very few genuine Democrats left standing. With (cough, cough, wheez, gag ...) leadership like this, let me be the first to say there's a very good chance the House stays blood red in November and Democrats lose seats in the Senate. All together now, "Four More Years! Four More Years!" Congratulations, Clinton Democrats, you've destroyed the Democratic Party. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #423,483 by Another Scott 4/27/18 4:00:56 PM 4/27/18 4:00:56 PM Reply	You know The Intercept is a propaganda organ, right? https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/04/26/the-dcccs-finger-on-the-scales/ Jeff Ryan's comment is a good one. [...] Military still counts for a lot here, and Tillemann stands about as much chance as Eugene V. Debs of getting elected, and Debs is dead. So, should the DCCC have lied? Of course not. But I find this mania for surreptitious recording to be wildly dangerous, and blatantly unethical. Which of course is the M.O. of The Intercept, where dishonesty seems rife. So fuck 'em. I want a Democrat to win this time, not the leftie equivalent of David Bossie. FWIW. Cheers, Scott.
Post #423,504 by mmoffitt 4/29/18 2:51:37 AM 4/29/18 2:51:37 AM Reply	So they faked the Hoyer tape? Go ahead. Ignore me again. How’d that work out for us last time? bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #423,508 by Another Scott 4/29/18 11:21:54 PM 4/29/18 11:21:54 PM Reply	I didn't ignore you. Reread Booman's take. The idea that a political party, and people in the leadership of a political party, is/are supposed to be apolitical is nonsensical. :-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #423,510 by mmoffitt 4/30/18 7:44:54 AM 4/30/18 7:44:54 AM Reply	Not nonsense in the primaries. The party needs a new (old) direction and we ain't gonna get there with corporate lobbyists for candidates. That's so early nineties. As much as you and I might like 40% of the population to disappear or at least an end to the electoral college, neither is likely to happen and if the DNC continues to put the thumb on the scale in favor of corporate, pro-Wall Street candidates in the primaries, we'll never get any Joe and Molly six packs to vote for our candidates. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #423,512 by Andrew Grygus 4/30/18 11:22:10 AM 4/30/18 11:22:10 AM Reply	Wait a minute . . . . . didn't Joe and Molly just vote in an entire administration of corporate pro-Wall Street candidates?
Post #423,513 by mmoffitt 4/30/18 12:55:15 PM 4/30/18 12:55:15 PM Reply	Some did. Some voted for racism. Some voted for plutocrats because they still believe in the "self made man" and think they can be one, too. We ain't getting anyone from either of those sets (nor do we want them). But, some voted to throw a monkey wrench into the whole works because their government hasn't represented them since Reagan. That's the group we need (in the absence of the abolition of the electoral college) and that we can't regain the White House without. In 1964, 51% of registered voters were Democrats and 25% were Republicans. We purged our racists with Voting Rights Act and Civil Rights Act. By 1976 it was 46% Democrats, 22% Republican. In 2014 it was 32% Democrat, 23% Republican. Note that Republican registration actually moved up between 1976 and 2014 while Democratic registrations plummeted 14%. That final 14% we lost were Joe and Molly and we lost them because we started nominating Republicans who didn't represent them in place of Democrats who always had. Now we live with a Democratic Party that has observed their 20% drop in popularity and cries, "See, we can't run Democrats, we have to run Republicans!" When a genuine Democrat shows up, the Party pushes them out. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #423,628 by rcareaga 5/7/18 4:10:54 PM 5/7/18 4:10:54 PM Reply	“But, some voted to throw a monkey wrench into the whole works…” Yeah, and how’s that workin’ out for ya? It must be satisfying to know that you stood above the fray two years ago and declined to sully the purity of your vote by adding it to the Dread Butch Hillary’s popular total. I’m surprised you don’t wear a corset to contain your pride within reasonable bounds.
Post #423,642 by mmoffitt 5/8/18 8:42:54 AM 5/8/18 8:42:54 AM Reply	Pride? You must be joking, I am and have been ashamed of the Democratic Party since 1992. The futility of my vote is well documented. How'd voting for Hillary in the primary in California work out for you? You needn't answer. I told you how that would work out for all of us months before you cast your vote. So, thanks for that. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #423,658 by rcareaga 5/9/18 8:52:40 PM 5/9/18 8:52:40 PM Reply	You joke in turn You imagine that Sanders could have prevailed in November? Pull the other one. It’s got a fucking bell on it.
Post #423,661 by mmoffitt 5/10/18 8:22:28 AM 5/10/18 8:22:28 AM Reply	To state the obvious. He couldn't have done worse. You think Sanders would have lost Michigan or Indiana? Whose leg is being pulled? bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #423,670 by rcareaga 5/10/18 8:43:56 PM 5/10/18 8:43:56 PM Reply	Without Russian ratfucking… Clinton might have won. We might not have done as well, in that event, as we might this November—assuming that we’re not ratfucked again. Those contradictions won’t heighten themselves unassisted, amirite?
Post #423,672 by boxley 5/10/18 9:41:00 PM 5/10/18 9:41:00 PM Reply	Yup, without the Steele dossier invented by the Russians paid for by the dnc The election might have been closer "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #423,673 by rcareaga 5/10/18 10:26:22 PM 5/10/18 10:26:22 PM Reply	Give me a fucking break Seriously, box? Seriously? I have honestly never felt as much contempt for you as I have this moment.
Post #423,675 by a6l6e6x 5/11/18 12:16:49 AM 5/11/18 12:16:49 AM Reply	Try Christopher Steele, ex MI-6. Annotated Dossier Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov
Post #423,697 by boxley 5/11/18 8:39:48 PM 5/11/18 8:39:48 PM Reply	which sources? Who paid for it? thank you "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #423,703 by a6l6e6x 5/12/18 12:02:40 AM 5/12/18 12:02:40 AM Reply	That's what the Russians want to know also. And one suspected source has been killed. Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov
Post #423,679 by mmoffitt 5/11/18 9:36:28 AM 5/11/18 9:36:28 AM Reply	There is one thing I find almost comical about the successful Russian interference. We condemn the Russians for interfering in our election by means of using Facebook and other social media in exactly the manner in which it was intended. Ask yourself if the Russian effort could have come close to the success it had were it not for our very own inventions and the halting ignorance of our people. I don't mean to in anyway imply that I condone that interference and I firmly believe that while not the exclusive reason for the disaster of Trump's victory it had an impact - an arguably decisive impact. But leave us not forget to harshly condemn the teeming millions of toddling knuckle draggers addicted to social media in this country and the culture which makes billionaires of the likes of Mark "Lore" Zuckerberg (Lore was the evil twin android of Data in Star Trek if you're unfamiliar). If Facebook and Twitter weren't so pervasive and if the Murican Sheeple weren't so fucking daft as to spend inordinate amounts of time using social media and worse, believing anything they read on those platforms that conforms to their already existing biases and ignorance, the effect of "Russian hacking" would have been minimal if not non-existent. But we are that fucking stupid. And there's no fixing that kind of dumb. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #423,680 by drook 5/11/18 10:04:36 AM 5/11/18 10:04:36 AM Reply	Someone note the date ... I completely agree with you -- Drew
Post #423,681 by mmoffitt 5/11/18 10:21:23 AM 5/11/18 10:21:23 AM Reply	Oh, no. I've reached the end of the Internet. ;0) bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #423,684 by Ashton 5/11/18 2:59:07 PM 5/11/18 2:59:07 PM Reply	Well then, it's a Grand Finale, eh? As to your succinct screed: er, Me-too™ ... every word. It daily Sucks-more, just to realize that I am enmeshed within such a STUPID-mob of blathering morons as: STILL! abide these crooks/liars/megalomaniacs, so in-thrall to this Carney Barker as to miss ALL of the Points of his sociopathy, greed and general Evil-personified. As mentioned earlier: This One , historically may un-seat Der Führer, and maybe even Him + Stalin, should we extrapolate his $Bs-for --> more friendly/USEABLE nukes in his wannabe Arsenal-of-Hatred for all living things-not-Him. Yup, middle-Murica: You'unses SUCK [math] n! [/math] And screw your 'Christian'-ISIS bedfellows the MOST (of you-all hypocrites.) [OK: that's the short-form, por moi.] Next: Eat The Rich; a National crusade for the Rest of us (But first: the Tar & Feathers: we deserve a little comic relief from these humorless Calvinist idiots.)
Post #423,689 by rcareaga 5/11/18 4:46:13 PM 5/11/18 4:46:13 PM Reply	a kindred spirit (for mmoffitt) A first cousin once-removed, in the course of an exchange on social media with another first cousin once-removed —both men are in their thirties, I believe—has referred to Obama as a “fascist despot,” and asserts that he was the most “right-wing” president until Trump, adding that the latter is only incrementally worse. I have participated only peripherally in the dustup, which consists of broadsides being exchanged between relative #1, who would probably self-identify as a Marxist (and who has stated that his entire extended clan, including my good self, are all “right-wingers”), and relative #2, a typical libertarian-flavored Trumpista (“Taxation is theft!” “Reward prosperity!”) low-information voter (“Oh, yeah? Ever hear of the National Socialist Workers Party?”). I must say that relative #1 is landing more blows than relative #2, although owing to the thickness of his skull relative #2 does not appear to be aware of this. Going back to the early seventies, though, I always hated hearing things like “fascist despot” being tossed (in more than one sense of that word) around, although I can’t claim—I wish I could—to have been prescient enough to sense that we needed to keep that rhetorical powder dry half a century in advance. cordially,
Post #423,716 by mmoffitt 5/14/18 9:08:01 AM 5/14/18 9:08:01 AM Reply	Hyperbole. While I'm no fan of Obama, he was hardly "the most right wing President until Trump." Your cousin's lack of appreciation for the Rightness of Nixon and Reagan is likely a consequence of his age. But I'd argue that Clinton was a far more effective Right Wing President than Barry. After all, it was Clinton whose five major achievements where all pure, right wing wet dreams (as Thomas Frank, among others, have pointed out): NAFTA, "ending welfare as we know it", the crime bill, repeal of Glass-Stegall and other deregulation and balancing the budget by slashing the social safety net. To be sure, Obama's policies were right wing. Perhaps most egregiously by legislating the permanence of profit-takers in our health care delivery system, but he was nowhere near as effective as Clinton was in the development of our own brand of oligarchy. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #423,717 by boxley 5/14/18 10:15:40 AM 5/14/18 10:15:40 AM Reply	Bill was between little rock and a hard place Either he ran completely on the "contract for America" ticket or lose the election. "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman

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