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Post #422,329
by drook
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1/23/18 10:54:33 AM
1/23/18 10:54:33 AM
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New Opinion from this past Thursday
Vox Media had a podcast with their analysis prior to the shutdown. Couple points:

1) Trump has a well-known negotiating strategy for when he knows he's not getting what he wants. Change your ask into the thing you've already got and declare victory. DACA is already killed. People are already losing their visas. Trump isn't getting his "complete fix" of immigration, but if he keeps DACA turned off he's going to call that a win.

2) Have you seen the movie "Thank You For Smoking"? They summed up political debate in one minute. "If you're wrong, I'm right." That's the other thing Trump is doing. If you can't get what you want, make sure you fuck the other guy. As long as they're losing even more than you, you win.
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Drew
Post #422,332
by rcareaga
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1/23/18 6:53:05 PM
1/23/18 6:53:05 PM
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New GOP SOP
This is not peculiar to Trump. Someone pointed out last year that the Democrats have been slow to understand that the Republicans are playing a game called “You Must Lose.” Under the rules of the game, of course, the preferred outcome is “we win; you lose,” but “we both lose” is infinitely preferable to “we both win” because the imperative of the game is you must lose.

Really, in a well-run duopoly this is not the way they conduct things. We no longer enjoy a well-run duopoly. It is difficult to see this ending well.

cordially,
Post #422,348
by Ashton
1/25/18 4:28:57 PM
1/25/18 4:28:57 PM
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New ie Nurse Ratchit now pwns the whole hospital complex.
     And Schumer caves again. Quelle Surprise! -NT - (mmoffitt) - (8) - Jan. 22, 2018, 01:09:25 PM EST
         Not that bad yet! - (a6l6e6x) - (3) - Jan. 22, 2018, 05:59:47 PM EST
             Getting SCHIP is good, and getting the commitment is good. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Jan. 22, 2018, 10:46:09 PM EST
                 Well put, Chamberlain. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Jan. 23, 2018, 08:07:57 AM EST
                 Democrats learned nothing from 2016. - (mmoffitt) - Jan. 23, 2018, 12:14:46 PM EST
         The theory is that the GOP have now lost a carrot to wave at the Dems. -NT - (static) - Jan. 22, 2018, 10:41:21 PM EST
         Opinion from this past Thursday - (drook) - (2) - Jan. 23, 2018, 10:54:33 AM EST
             GOP SOP - (rcareaga) - Jan. 23, 2018, 06:53:05 PM EST
             ie Nurse Ratchit now pwns the whole hospital complex. -NT - (Ashton) - Jan. 25, 2018, 04:28:57 PM EST

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