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Post #420,406 by Another Scott 9/18/17 8:08:46 AM 9/18/17 8:08:46 AM Reply	Yeahbut... Mass costs money. Making the phones the minimum size to do the job makes sense from an efficiency point of view. And carrying around a < 3# laptop is much more pleasant than one that weighs 5+#. But, agreed, it shouldn't be the primary driver for new hardware. Where are our 10 GHz desktop CPUs?!?! Cheers, Scott.
Post #420,418 by CRConrad 9/19/17 4:00:19 AM 9/19/17 4:00:19 AM Reply	But, a sharp-edged 1.83kg laptop vs a 2.02 kg rounder one is a wash... Or a win for the heavier one. And to the extent that the added mass is more battery, many of us are prepared to pay for it. To the extent that it is just more (because bigger) housing, I'd guess that's (more than?) offset by expense saved from not having to design everything else to fit into that last smidgeon more-cramped space. So, nope, I don't believe there's really much -- if any -- genuine valid technical reason for it; it's probably all or almost all about the bullshit "mine is thinner than yours!" bragging rights. -- Christian R. Conrad Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi (Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
Post #420,426 by pwhysall 9/19/17 11:01:30 AM 9/19/17 11:01:30 AM Reply	Heh. My work laptop is a Dell Latitude E7470. About 1.4kg. Many ports (3x USB, HDMI, MiniDP, SD). Long battery. 1080p screen. Neat little docking station. Nice keyboard. Pretty sweet. And no sharp edges.
Post #420,424 by pwhysall 9/19/17 10:56:48 AM 9/19/17 10:56:48 AM Reply	Re: Yeahbut... The real "thin" bullshit is that applied to the iMac. A desktop computer. It was already too thin. It could be made fully serviceable from the back by making it 25mm or so thicker and getting rid of that dumb-ass taper, and no-one would care. It would not impact its usability or aesthetics in any negative way. You wouldn't even know, when you were sat in front of it.
Post #420,428 by drook 9/19/17 11:07:50 AM 9/19/17 11:07:50 AM Reply	Boy, you don't understand Mac users It's not what it looks like to me when I'm sitting in front of it. It's what I look like to everyone else when they're looking at me using it. -- Drew
Post #420,429 by pwhysall 9/19/17 11:08:21 AM 9/19/17 11:08:21 AM Reply	Such cynicism in one so... ...oh, wait :)

New Pixel phones on October 4. - (Another Scott) - (47) - Sept. 14, 2017, 08:51:58 AM EDT

I've seen some amusing butthurt from Fandroids about the TRRS jack - (malraux) - (46) - Sept. 14, 2017, 10:30:27 AM EDT

I have a different theory - (pwhysall) - (45) - Sept. 15, 2017, 11:06:07 AM EDT

The Essential apparently has a solution to this problem. - (Another Scott) - (31) - Sept. 15, 2017, 11:33:31 AM EDT

This "thinness über alles!" meme that's infected every IT hardware designer's brain is such utter BS - (CRConrad) - (14) - Sept. 19, 2017, 03:48:38 AM EDT

Yeahbut... - (Another Scott) - (5) - Sept. 18, 2017, 08:08:46 AM EDT

But, a sharp-edged 1.83kg laptop vs a 2.02 kg rounder one is a wash... Or a win for the heavier one. - (CRConrad) - (1) - Sept. 19, 2017, 04:00:19 AM EDT

Heh. - (pwhysall) - Sept. 19, 2017, 11:01:30 AM EDT

Re: Yeahbut... - (pwhysall) - (2) - Sept. 19, 2017, 10:56:48 AM EDT

Boy, you don't understand Mac users - (drook) - (1) - Sept. 19, 2017, 11:07:50 AM EDT

Such cynicism in one so... - (pwhysall) - Sept. 19, 2017, 11:08:21 AM EDT

I beat you to that one (IOW Yes, that exactly) - (drook) - (7) - Sept. 18, 2017, 08:49:52 AM EDT

Yeah, but I *thought* of it long before that. -NT - (CRConrad) - (6) - Sept. 19, 2017, 03:50:16 AM EDT

Did you think of it before smartphones? - (drook) - (5) - Sept. 19, 2017, 09:46:05 AM EDT

Razr? - (malraux) - (3) - Sept. 19, 2017, 10:29:48 AM EDT

J loved her StarTac flip phone. - (Another Scott) - Sept. 19, 2017, 10:41:24 AM EDT

Yup, Razr - (drook) - Sept. 19, 2017, 11:10:38 AM EDT

I had a keychain phone - (crazy) - Sept. 19, 2017, 04:24:55 PM EDT

Motorola RAZR, 2003. - (pwhysall) - Sept. 19, 2017, 10:58:06 AM EDT

Re: The Essential apparently has a solution to this problem. - (pwhysall) - Sept. 19, 2017, 11:06:45 AM EDT

Geez, I just noticed this - (drook) - (14) - Sept. 19, 2017, 11:12:47 AM EDT

Heh. - (Another Scott) - (13) - Sept. 19, 2017, 11:45:33 AM EDT

Too true! - (drook) - (12) - Sept. 19, 2017, 01:11:43 PM EDT

Evolution didn't "design" the headphone jack... - (Another Scott) - (11) - Sept. 19, 2017, 01:29:59 PM EDT

Apple patent blocked Magsafe-like connectors for years - (drook) - Sept. 19, 2017, 03:01:31 PM EDT

*Good* reasons? Do tell. -NT - (pwhysall) - (8) - Sept. 19, 2017, 03:53:24 PM EDT

Heh. You know the reasons. - (Another Scott) - (7) - Sept. 19, 2017, 04:28:28 PM EDT

No, I don't. - (pwhysall) - (6) - Sept. 20, 2017, 02:50:05 AM EDT

Licensing aside, something like Magsafe - (drook) - (2) - Sept. 20, 2017, 07:45:40 AM EDT

Yeah, but that's not a thing, is it? - (pwhysall) - (1) - Sept. 20, 2017, 08:53:13 AM EDT

You said "better", not "available" - (drook) - Sept. 20, 2017, 11:22:10 AM EDT

We won't be using 3.5 mm jacks in 50 years. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Sept. 20, 2017, 11:20:21 AM EDT

Micro-USB is a bad comparison - (drook) - (1) - Sept. 20, 2017, 11:34:18 AM EDT

Everything in that post is a bad comparison - (pwhysall) - Sept. 20, 2017, 01:03:04 PM EDT

Will second the snark re phrase, "good reasons" ;^> - (Ashton) - Sept. 20, 2017, 05:56:02 AM EDT

Waterproofing would have made the jack even bigger. - (malraux) - (12) - Sept. 15, 2017, 12:15:15 PM EDT

You must not run - (drook) - (11) - Sept. 15, 2017, 12:54:16 PM EDT

Nope. - (malraux) - (7) - Sept. 15, 2017, 01:09:31 PM EDT

Just to make sure I understand ... - (drook) - (3) - Sept. 15, 2017, 01:53:02 PM EDT

No. - (malraux) - (2) - Sept. 15, 2017, 03:18:11 PM EDT

Recommendation != opinion - (drook) - (1) - Sept. 15, 2017, 03:29:59 PM EDT

In my opinion, the dongle should suffice. - (malraux) - Sept. 15, 2017, 03:31:43 PM EDT

Reviews indicate it's a piece of crap. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Sept. 15, 2017, 02:39:48 PM EDT

That's another matter for sure. - (malraux) - Sept. 15, 2017, 03:19:43 PM EDT

(Un-believably?) that's an Apple Inc. blog and.. - (Ashton) - Sept. 16, 2017, 05:48:33 PM EDT

Here ya go. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Sept. 16, 2017, 08:30:10 AM EDT

That's called the "Somali Hands-free" in Finland, if you do it with a phone in stead. - (CRConrad) - (1) - Sept. 18, 2017, 08:14:25 AM EDT

Indeed! Breathing is good. -NT - (Another Scott) - Sept. 18, 2017, 08:31:25 AM EDT

Why do you ask me? You know I cannot do this thing anymore with the bugs.
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