I'll support taking that one down, too.
See? It's not about where they're from. It's about what they did.
See? It's not about where they're from. It's about what they did.
I'm sorry. That statues aren't of Southern Generals?
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Find me a statue of a northern general who fought to defend slavery
I'll support taking that one down, too. See? It's not about where they're from. It's about what they did. -- Drew |
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I know it's not what we like to say in polite company, but, ...
the Civil War was fought for the same reason every war is fought: acquisition of wealth, land and power. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again. |
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No
Short excerpt from the long answer: The Civil War was not fundamentally about "states rights". Asserting a state's right to secede doesn't speak to why the state wants to secede. Steven's citation of reasons in his answer only serve to underline this. When the northern states were threatened by the War of 1812, they considered secession. When South Carolina was threatened by a tariff, they attempted to nullify the law. When a state's self interests come into play, they'll take advantage of whatever political mechanism they can imagine to assert that self interest, up to and including nullification, secession, and war. Short answer: -- Drew |
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Read Foote's volumes and get back with me.
He knew a bit more about it than some pasty skinned IT worker. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again. |
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(sigh)
T.N. Coates: [...] Read the whole thing. HTH. Cheers, Scott. |
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Slaves were the key to the wealth of the South. HTH.
If you think that the North was opposed to slavery on moral grounds, you're deluding yourself. Had it not been for the disproportionate amount of wealth funneling to the South due to slave labor the North (comprised mainly of White Supremacists itself) wouldn't have given a tinker's damn about slavery. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again. |
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Whatever the reason...
The North opposed expanding slavery, while the South went to war to do so. That's the bottom line, for me anyway. YMMV. Cheers, Scott. |
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I don't really disagree with that.
The North opposed expanding slavery, while the South went to war to do so. Yes, the North objected to slavery and the South wanted it continued. But both held their respective positions exclusively out of a concern for wealth; who got it and where. Just like all other wars, that war was about wealth, power and territory. This is not to be misread as some sort of white-washing of slavery. I'm merely pointing out the true motivation for the war. And even this is overly simplistic. For instance, in writing about a book he recommends, "Slaves Without Masters: The Free Negro in the Antebellum South" by Ira Berlin, Henry Louis Gates, Jr. writes: Here’s where the monolith falls apart, however. As critical as Berlin’s findings about the North and South was his revelation that the South really consisted of “two Souths”: an Upper and a Lower, distinguished, among other things, by their histories, geographies and outlooks. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross/history/free-blacks-lived-in-the-north-right/ I've never read Berlin's book, but upon reading Gates, I'm inclined to pick it up. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again. |
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Ah. Not a White Supremacist then, only a Confederate Apologist. (Hyuuuuge difference.)
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Yet another miss.
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So it's just coincidence that you're pushing their arguments, word-for-word exactly? Yeah, riight...
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Reference? Links? Never mind. Check the other forum for reply.
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Now THAT conflation smacks mightily of
..that which you Despise in the BOx's oft-meandering fulminations. I deem ^this^ smack-dab amidst that level of (misplaced) puffery. It's just simple-defamation. Pity. Do better or ... turn in your epaulets. |
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he can, but if you look at the time stamp he hadnt had his bran muffin yet
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman |