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New Actually, there are some
Most notably on the German WW I cemeteries, including abroad. However, they fit within the decorum and express grief and regret. They do not rue for glory lost. OTOH, there are no such monuments for WW II that I can think of.

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=trauernde+Elternpaar+vladslo
(This one was considered "entartede kunst" not much later)

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=langemark-poelkapelle+kriegern
New And for something on the wrong side of the tracks and closer to current events
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yser_Tower#/media/File:IJzertorenPanorama.jpg

The Ijzertoren originated as a monument to fallen Flemish soldiers post WW I. However, it got coopted by nationalist mythology and became a rallying point for the collaboration movement in the run up to, and during, WW II. The "Stone Incivique" was dynamited in the wake of the German defeat*. The remnants are what you see in the foreground of the photo. The monument in the background came in its place a short while later.

However, blowing it up only strengthened the resolve of the tribe and it became the focus of an annual nationalist ritual where they lamented every slap in the face received since 1302. Officially a commemoration of WW I, it has always had strong white supremacist overtones. e.g. until the fall of Apartheid, the Zuid Afrikaans national anthem was always on the songsheet.

The movement has always had strong political connections and had several splits and mergers along "purity of essence" lines. The official WW I commemoration eventually banned the brown overtones, but shortly after an unofficial event sprung up for the true faithful.

And until recently, there was also an annual gathering of the Birch Cross society, the overarching collective of East Front fighters, complete with "Meine Ehre Ist Treue" banner.

* Officially, the demolition crew was never caught but a while back, a former Army sergeant claimed credit in name of his platoon.
New Passing strange, this all..
A 'monument' to No More War ..first BLOWN Up thence.. replaced with an Artwork tower of complex construction etc. etc.

And a rallying-point by folks who--it may be surmised---are, many of them: just itchin to find an excuse to grab something sharp/or explosive and ..

And..

Keep War Alive! ... ..you namby-pamby Sissy-peaceniks!



I so confused..
it's about the exact-opposite of, say: the just-dismembered nice-Droid's quip, near end of Aliens, after Ripley had Kicked--[wtf Was the Ass of that Thing?]--and saved
the most precious/gutsy child ever seen on screen!


Not bad for a.. Hu.. man!



{{sigh}} Humans!!!
Expand Edited by Ashton Aug. 31, 2017, 09:56:46 PM EDT
New The monument was "dual use" from the get go
"No more war" was one, the other was, very clearly, "no more dead Flemish soldiers due to Walloon officers". The latter was a myth but as time went on, "no more war" faded in the background and the myth was used to whip up an ever uglier nationalist fervor at the annual commemoration pilgrimage.

By the time it was becoming clear that "no more war" was a utopia, the movement had become one of collaboration with the Germans as they saw them as the best ever opportunity to finally break free of the "French speaking oppressor". From 1942 on, the monument and the meeting became recruiting tools to get volunteers to join the Waffen SS on the eastern front.

The resistance movement attempted to demolish the tower just before the end of hostilities in Europe but did not succeed. The army had more "go boom" left and finished the job in 1946.

Charlottesville did trigger some soul searching, however. There is now a movement afoot to find and rename the streets still named after some of the collaborators.
New Belatedly.. this manifestly-schizoid chain of events may illuminate just why
Agatha Christie made Hercule Poirot ... a Belgian!
(how better to assure him inscrutable re any personal ruminations ?)

No? ;^>



Not that Everything to-do with the bloody Rebel-Monuments locally-and-Endlessly ... isn't equally!

Schizoid ... (when it ain't merely hypocritical or blatant-B.S. that is.)
     Monumental frolic - (rcareaga) - (68)
         Think you included the wrong linky - (drook) - (7)
             Thanks; fixed - (rcareaga) - (4)
                 Hadn't thought of that - (drook) - (3)
                     Is there any place on earth where the victors didn't destroy the symbols of the conquered? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                         Other than the entire southern U.S. you mean? - (drook) - (1)
                             You mentioned it below, but the Vietnam War Memorial is an obvious example. -NT - (mmoffitt)
             I think those ones in the middle east are a different basket. - (static) - (1)
                 Yeah, I've figured out my intuition - (drook)
         My thoughts. - (mmoffitt) - (56)
             Do they have monuments to those who died in wars they lost? - (drook) - (55)
                 I heard a report on NPR that the cops are looking for the perps, and intend to charge them. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (38)
                     They should handle it the way they did Bree Newsome. - (Another Scott) - (37)
                         "Toxic" is a bit strong. - (mmoffitt) - (36)
                             Malice? Or civil disobedience? - (drook) - (5)
                                 Really? Amendment 13 much? - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                     I was thinking more 1960s than 1790s - (drook) - (3)
                                         The relative effectiveness of changing a "wrong" law vs breaking the law. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                             Did the law get changed before or after a war was fought? - (drook) - (1)
                                                 So, changing the law works? Or it doesn't (as you previously stated)? I'm confused. And tired. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                             Not really. - (Another Scott) - (29)
                                 Eh. - (mmoffitt) - (25)
                                     Three-for-three - (drook) - (21)
                                         Move to strike. Incoherent. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (20)
                                             OK, I'm done -NT - (drook)
                                             Only to you - (crazy)
                                             "Incoherent"? What's more incoherent than trying strategy after strategy, only to... - (CRConrad) - (17)
                                                 You guys really need to drop the "privilege" meme. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (16)
                                                     Which part of White Supremacist Statue Hugger says anything about "privilege"?!? - (CRConrad) - (15)
                                                         Oh, now I'm a White Supremacist. - (mmoffitt) - (14)
                                                             "There were no good guys." - (drook) - (3)
                                                                 Buy a history book. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                     Care to narrow that down a bit? -NT - (drook) - (1)
                                                                         Re: Care to narrow that down a bit? - (mmoffitt)
                                                             You're a day late and a dollar short. - (CRConrad) - (9)
                                                                 No mention of privilege? Re-read Drew's post. Here, I'll help you, since you obviously need it. - (mmoffitt) - (8)
                                                                     "Read me in my posts", as someone used to say. - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                                                         It's great to have you back. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                     Baltimore isn't constrained by the state laws about removing monuments. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                         Re: ... the other party controls the legislature via gerrymandering and voter suppression. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                                             (One arrives at such a conclusion fairly: only after it marinates-well. I wot.) - (Ashton)
                                                                     Yes, Baltimore did it the next day. I wonder why ... -NT - (drook) - (2)
                                                                         I've withdrawn from being an advocate of violent revolution. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                                             eh? yer off the flogging committee then, -NT - (boxley)
                                     Really? - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                         Sorry. Not enough words on my part. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                             No it's not - (crazy)
                                 local controls - (rcareaga)
                                 Impossible? Bah, nothing is impossible. - (CRConrad)
                                 Or, perhaps even better... - (CRConrad)
                 Try ... the 'Korean War' for a negative conclusion.. - (Ashton) - (1)
                     that was a tie and still isnt over -NT - (boxley)
                 Actually, there are some - (scoenye) - (4)
                     And for something on the wrong side of the tracks and closer to current events - (scoenye) - (3)
                         Passing strange, this all.. - (Ashton) - (2)
                             The monument was "dual use" from the get go - (scoenye) - (1)
                                 Belatedly.. this manifestly-schizoid chain of events may illuminate just why - (Ashton)
                 yes in every town square altho to be fair it also includes all lives lost in all wars - (boxley)
                 Every town and village in the UK has a war memorial - (pwhysall) - (7)
                     Aussie ones are about remembering the fallen, too. -NT - (static)
                     We've got those, too - (drook)
                     The clear intent of the things here can be inferred from the timing. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                         That Drum link: yes, that -NT - (drook) - (1)
                             Indeed, graph needs words; Drum has them. -NT - (Ashton)
                         curious, have you actually seen "birth of a nation"? -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                             Yup. Saw it in class in HS. -NT - (Another Scott)
         Don't know when that statue was erected, but the Robert E. Lee one in C'ville was 1924. - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
             And into the present one. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
         PS: Just NOW I hear [his audio] Prez. Orange declaim - (Ashton)

In th' stables, m'lord.
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