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New Really? Amendment 13 much?
It took passage of Amendment 13 for Grant's slaves to finally be freed.

HTH.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New I was thinking more 1960s than 1790s
What on earth are you talking about?
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Drew
New The relative effectiveness of changing a "wrong" law vs breaking the law.
Hell, the Emancipation Proclamation didn't free Mrs. U.S. Grant's slaves. The North's victory also didn't free Mrs. U.S. Grant's slaves. What freed her slaves? Changing the law.

That's exactly counter to your claim, "I'm sure plenty of "reasonable" people agreed the law was wrong but said the "right way" to fight it was to change the law. Those people are wrong. It doesn't work." If changing the law "doesn't work", I wonder when or even IF Mrs. U.S. Grant's slaves would have ever been freed.

Clear now?
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
Expand Edited by mmoffitt Aug. 15, 2017, 04:29:58 PM EDT
New Did the law get changed before or after a war was fought?
And in the 60s, did the law change (again) before or after thousands of arrests for civil disobedience?

I could have said (though you'd just find a different way to disagree) that only advocating for changing the law doesn't work. Unless you stir some shit up, the law isn't* going to get changed.


* Usually.
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Drew
New So, changing the law works? Or it doesn't (as you previously stated)? I'm confused. And tired.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
     Monumental frolic - (rcareaga) - (68)
         Think you included the wrong linky - (drook) - (7)
             Thanks; fixed - (rcareaga) - (4)
                 Hadn't thought of that - (drook) - (3)
                     Is there any place on earth where the victors didn't destroy the symbols of the conquered? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                         Other than the entire southern U.S. you mean? - (drook) - (1)
                             You mentioned it below, but the Vietnam War Memorial is an obvious example. -NT - (mmoffitt)
             I think those ones in the middle east are a different basket. - (static) - (1)
                 Yeah, I've figured out my intuition - (drook)
         My thoughts. - (mmoffitt) - (56)
             Do they have monuments to those who died in wars they lost? - (drook) - (55)
                 I heard a report on NPR that the cops are looking for the perps, and intend to charge them. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (38)
                     They should handle it the way they did Bree Newsome. - (Another Scott) - (37)
                         "Toxic" is a bit strong. - (mmoffitt) - (36)
                             Malice? Or civil disobedience? - (drook) - (5)
                                 Really? Amendment 13 much? - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                     I was thinking more 1960s than 1790s - (drook) - (3)
                                         The relative effectiveness of changing a "wrong" law vs breaking the law. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                             Did the law get changed before or after a war was fought? - (drook) - (1)
                                                 So, changing the law works? Or it doesn't (as you previously stated)? I'm confused. And tired. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                             Not really. - (Another Scott) - (29)
                                 Eh. - (mmoffitt) - (25)
                                     Three-for-three - (drook) - (21)
                                         Move to strike. Incoherent. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (20)
                                             OK, I'm done -NT - (drook)
                                             Only to you - (crazy)
                                             "Incoherent"? What's more incoherent than trying strategy after strategy, only to... - (CRConrad) - (17)
                                                 You guys really need to drop the "privilege" meme. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (16)
                                                     Which part of White Supremacist Statue Hugger says anything about "privilege"?!? - (CRConrad) - (15)
                                                         Oh, now I'm a White Supremacist. - (mmoffitt) - (14)
                                                             "There were no good guys." - (drook) - (3)
                                                                 Buy a history book. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                     Care to narrow that down a bit? -NT - (drook) - (1)
                                                                         Re: Care to narrow that down a bit? - (mmoffitt)
                                                             You're a day late and a dollar short. - (CRConrad) - (9)
                                                                 No mention of privilege? Re-read Drew's post. Here, I'll help you, since you obviously need it. - (mmoffitt) - (8)
                                                                     "Read me in my posts", as someone used to say. - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                                                         It's great to have you back. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                     Baltimore isn't constrained by the state laws about removing monuments. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                         Re: ... the other party controls the legislature via gerrymandering and voter suppression. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                                             (One arrives at such a conclusion fairly: only after it marinates-well. I wot.) - (Ashton)
                                                                     Yes, Baltimore did it the next day. I wonder why ... -NT - (drook) - (2)
                                                                         I've withdrawn from being an advocate of violent revolution. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                                             eh? yer off the flogging committee then, -NT - (boxley)
                                     Really? - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                         Sorry. Not enough words on my part. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                             No it's not - (crazy)
                                 local controls - (rcareaga)
                                 Impossible? Bah, nothing is impossible. - (CRConrad)
                                 Or, perhaps even better... - (CRConrad)
                 Try ... the 'Korean War' for a negative conclusion.. - (Ashton) - (1)
                     that was a tie and still isnt over -NT - (boxley)
                 Actually, there are some - (scoenye) - (4)
                     And for something on the wrong side of the tracks and closer to current events - (scoenye) - (3)
                         Passing strange, this all.. - (Ashton) - (2)
                             The monument was "dual use" from the get go - (scoenye) - (1)
                                 Belatedly.. this manifestly-schizoid chain of events may illuminate just why - (Ashton)
                 yes in every town square altho to be fair it also includes all lives lost in all wars - (boxley)
                 Every town and village in the UK has a war memorial - (pwhysall) - (7)
                     Aussie ones are about remembering the fallen, too. -NT - (static)
                     We've got those, too - (drook)
                     The clear intent of the things here can be inferred from the timing. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                         That Drum link: yes, that -NT - (drook) - (1)
                             Indeed, graph needs words; Drum has them. -NT - (Ashton)
                         curious, have you actually seen "birth of a nation"? -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                             Yup. Saw it in class in HS. -NT - (Another Scott)
         Don't know when that statue was erected, but the Robert E. Lee one in C'ville was 1924. - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
             And into the present one. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
         PS: Just NOW I hear [his audio] Prez. Orange declaim - (Ashton)

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