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New This is why you never try to appease assholes
They paid $80k they didn't need to specifically so no one could accuse them of taking something that wasn't theirs, and you used that payment as evidence of guilt.
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Drew
New The only way those folks would ever be happy...
would be if Bill and Hillary had renounced their citizenship and left the country.

:-/

Otherwise, as you say, anything and everything they ever did was twisted to be some sort of character flaw at minimum, but usually some sort of evidence of some vast conspiracy...

Cheers,
Scott.
New /makes a note of who's being the asshole here. (Surprised, me? Not very.)
New nope, pay the coin or give it back pick one
they didnt want to give it back
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New Definition of immunity to facts: After being presented evidence to the contrary, goes on claiming BS
New here, have a free fact or two
The president is allowed to keep foreign official gifts if their worth is under a certain threshold; gifts whose worth is over the threshold belong to the people of the United States and must be purchased at fair market price from the General Services Administration.
wasnt any glossing of anything. You have to pay for your loot. They didnt cough up the money in a vacuum.
Days later, the New York Times reported that the Clintons would return an additional $28,000 or more worth of gifts that donors complained had been earmarked for the White House permanent collection, not the Clintons’ personal use. Ultimately, the total worth of gifts returned by the Clintons to the U.S. government amounted to nearly $50,000, the Times later reported.
removing shit that doesnt belong to you is theft in most places except when there is a Clinton involved then it become a "matter".
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New Try this
See if you can make the strongest possible argument that the Clinton's did nothing wrong. Include describing how their opponents present completely opposite facts - eg: they paid for it, they didn't pay for it - as both proving their guilt. Then see if you can refute that.

I know you won't, but the point of the exercise would be that you either don't understand the other side, or don't have an answer to it.
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Drew
New I understand just fine,
Nother hollers trump hotel emmoluments!! his bright and shining stars rented out the fucking lincoln bedroom for money. sheesh
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New Emoluments are *foreign* gifts/awards/payments. HTH.
New Umm ...
You think the strongest form of the argument that "they stole White House property" is to bring up a completely unrelated issue?
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Drew
New Oh, and another thing ...
You're the one who brought up emoluments. Which makes it extra-odd that you're the one who doesn't seem to know what they are.
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Drew
New I'll play, briefly.
The NYTimes has had an unhealthy obsession with the Clintons for far too long. Let's see what another source says:

In general, presidents are “free to accept unsolicited personal gifts from the American public,” according to a 2012 report by the Congressional Research Service. Federal law requires that all gifts valued at more than $350 be disclosed in financial disclosure reports each year, but the president is free to keep them after moving out of the White House.

However, gifts from the public given directly to the White House are considered the property of the U.S. government and cannot be taken from the White House by the president or family members when the president leaves office.

[...]

Mittman, Noe and Joy Ficks, the widow of Lee Ficks, told the Post that their donations were gifts to the White House, not the Clintons. The contributions were intended to complement a 1993 White House redecoration project.

That was apparently news to the Clintons and their transition team, which said that they were not aware that the gifts were not intended to go to them.

“All of these items were considered gifts to us,” Hillary Clinton said in 2001, according the Post. She added, “That’s what the permanent record of the White House showed. … But if there is a different intent, we will certainly honor the intention of the donor.”

Martinous told the Post that he wanted the Clintons to keep the rug he gave to the White House. Schiller couldn’t be reached for comment by the paper, but the lamps he gave were intended as gifts to the Clintons, according to a spokesman for Clinton’s transition team, who told the Post that’s what Schiller told the transition office.

In any case, the $28,000 worth of furniture the Clintons took with them upon leaving the White House was returned in February 2001, according to the National Park Service.

In a statement, the NPS, which oversees the White House as a national park, said: “As a result of questions about the status of certain property donated to the White House during the Clinton administration, the National Park Service will accept the return of the property in question and act as a custodian of such property.”

Although the Clintons were not “forced” to return the gifts, Jim McDaniel, a National Park Service spokesman, said the items returned were indeed property of the federal government. So it is possible that the Clintons would have been forced to return them, if they did not do so voluntarily.

“I feel 99 percent certain that everything that’s been returned to us is government property,” McDaniel was quoted as saying in an Associated Press story.

Prior to returning those gifts, the Clintons also agreed to pay for $86,000 worth of other items that they received in their last year in office.


OMG! There was some temporary confusion about whether the gift was personal or to the White House!! So Corrupt™!!11



Cheers,
Scott.
New I'll play, briefly. Did you ever wonder why their "confusion" always ended up in their pockets?
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New You have a list of everything they didn't take that they could have?
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Drew
New everything that wasnt nailed down in the west wing and didnt have an alarm on it?
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New You're trolling again.
Bill and Hillary left the White House 16+ years ago. Don't we have important things now to worry about?

Cheers,
Scott.
New no, answering Drew with the seriousness he deserved SISO
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New No, as usual you're just being an arsehole purely for the sake of being an arsehole.
     Moving on to the next level, Mein Führer - (Ashton) - (26)
         any time an unpopular president is in office that prediction surfaces - (boxley) - (23)
             Hmmm.. was 'Unpopular' and planned-a-coup? Jeez, I missed That ... BHO also too? -NT - (Ashton) - (22)
                 BHO also too? not so much, you know as you get older your mid memory goes - (boxley) - (21)
                     Re: BHO also too? not so much, you know as you get older your mid memory goes - (Another Scott) - (20)
                         cost them 80k in restitution didnt it? the crim class often has to pay restitution -NT - (boxley) - (19)
                             Add-to-resumé, "Glosses-over pesky details, when convenient". Good to know. :-) -NT - (Ashton)
                             This is why you never try to appease assholes - (drook) - (17)
                                 The only way those folks would ever be happy... - (Another Scott)
                                 /makes a note of who's being the asshole here. (Surprised, me? Not very.) -NT - (CRConrad)
                                 nope, pay the coin or give it back pick one - (boxley) - (14)
                                     Definition of immunity to facts: After being presented evidence to the contrary, goes on claiming BS -NT - (CRConrad) - (13)
                                         here, have a free fact or two - (boxley) - (12)
                                             Try this - (drook) - (4)
                                                 I understand just fine, - (boxley) - (3)
                                                     Emoluments are *foreign* gifts/awards/payments. HTH. -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                     Umm ... - (drook)
                                                     Oh, and another thing ... - (drook)
                                             I'll play, briefly. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                                                 I'll play, briefly. Did you ever wonder why their "confusion" always ended up in their pockets? -NT - (boxley) - (5)
                                                     You have a list of everything they didn't take that they could have? -NT - (drook) - (4)
                                                         everything that wasnt nailed down in the west wing and didnt have an alarm on it? -NT - (boxley) - (3)
                                                             You're trolling again. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                 no, answering Drew with the seriousness he deserved SISO -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                     No, as usual you're just being an arsehole purely for the sake of being an arsehole. -NT - (CRConrad)
         [golf clap] - (drook) - (1)
             Arsehole is as arsehole does; wingnut is as wingnut does. -NT - (CRConrad)

Reillusionment... what a concept.
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