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Post #41,897

6/11/02 12:08:55 AM

Indeed.

such new models as putatively devaluate the (need for) individual knowledge of workers:...

When my daughters ask me what I miss most about "the good old days" when I was young, I always say, "In those days, we had artisans. Unfortunately, I have lived long enough to see their demise."

Post #41,912

6/11/02 4:09:02 AM

Tip of iceberg?

First - they are still around - these days it seems: making superb one-offs (of lots of things) for the Yuppie class. (I guess that overlaps upper-Middle and Elite?). As with $200 dinners by $1M chefs. But overall, of course there are fewer and fewer.

I notice this particularly re home work (not homework!). Many can sort-of install electrical fixtures for ex., but have none of the basic comprehension of Ohm's law, a bit of AC and DC principles. Some little thing is amiss: they can't even R&R sometimes. Surely couldn't create a "switch diagram" to make some small alteration. [These not needed, allowed in my house BTW]

'Specialization' - most obvious in the MD Trade, but becoming apparent more and more as businesses morph into 'bizness' - means that fewer have anything like a liberal education and act accordingly dull -while pretending 'chipper'? Allopathic MDs, with rare exception - have *no idea* about the many other approaches to 'health' worldwide, and often do not grok what it means to boast, "We Treat Symptoms!"

Maybe a similar 'allopathy' occurs with 'consultant specialists' in bizness: they are being called in because: none of the present local Elite plans to stay very long, just want a parachute - and know pretty little about the intricacies of that overall business! (How Else explain: M$ hegemony ??)

Anyway.. I don't see how 'we' can overcome the lead-time problem for training *competent* people - without some rilly Bad times coming. Those BTW will be the times when your 'maturity' shall take on a new cachet: "hey This guy grew up when they were still really Teaching stuff! Heh - he can even spel. And multiply without a calculator!!"

Ashton

M$ stock continues to please those who - (Ashton) - (53) - May 30, 2002, 11:19:29 PM EDT

Re: MS is one stock that will bounce back - (dmarker2) - (49) - May 31, 2002, 03:43:16 AM EDT

I dunno. - (mmoffitt) - (48) - May 31, 2002, 12:16:10 PM EDT

Re: I'd love to see Linux sweep MS away, but - (dmarker2) - (47) - May 31, 2002, 08:50:13 PM EDT

Am getting more into embedded personally, but... - (mmoffitt) - May 31, 2002, 09:03:01 PM EDT

Licensing note. - (static) - (44) - June 1, 2002, 01:12:53 AM EDT

Maybe I'm just too damned old. - (mmoffitt) - (43) - June 1, 2002, 04:55:36 PM EDT

Are you blind??? - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - June 1, 2002, 09:34:42 PM EDT

No, I am not a cynic -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - June 1, 2002, 07:29:48 PM EDT

Cackle..____glorp. - (Ashton) - June 1, 2002, 08:01:11 PM EDT

I'm so ashamed. - (mmoffitt) - June 2, 2002, 12:13:24 AM EDT

I didn't say everything should be a web service. - (static) - (38) - June 2, 2002, 02:53:21 AM EDT

Didn't mean to imply you did. - (mmoffitt) - (37) - June 2, 2002, 05:22:52 PM EDT

Your not as old as you think... - (jb4) - (36) - June 3, 2002, 08:45:37 AM EDT

Re: Trying to understand XML & Web Services - try containers - (dmarker2) - (35) - June 4, 2002, 02:58:01 AM EDT

That ... makes sense! - (drewk) - (1) - June 4, 2002, 09:34:05 AM EDT

TWikified - (kmself) - June 6, 2002, 11:42:27 PM EDT

Very well written, but... - (mmoffitt) - (32) - June 5, 2002, 12:16:06 AM EDT

Re: Good point - (dmarker2) - (31) - June 6, 2002, 01:20:56 AM EDT

Let's follow the analogy a bit further - (Ashton) - (28) - June 6, 2002, 04:08:13 AM EDT

Related to something I was just saying about OSS & FSF - (drewk) - (18) - June 6, 2002, 10:29:19 AM EDT

Those seem to be the stages, but it's the Aim - (Ashton) - (17) - June 6, 2002, 07:17:13 PM EDT

Re: But,but, but - (dmarker2) - (16) - June 7, 2002, 03:25:20 AM EDT

Shall we sing "John Henry"? :-) - (a6l6e6x) - June 7, 2002, 03:45:38 AM EDT

Yes of course - you can't Not -invent stuff.. - (Ashton) - (8) - June 7, 2002, 05:38:21 AM EDT

Re: Yes of course - you can't Not -invent stuff.. YA GOT ME - (dmarker2) - (4) - June 7, 2002, 07:55:34 AM EDT

Well, then you don't know what you're talking about. - (CRConrad) - (3) - June 7, 2002, 08:29:03 AM EDT

Re: Jeeze CRC - that was mild ... - (dmarker2) - (2) - June 7, 2002, 08:34:04 AM EDT

Stone cold sober; at work. Summer. - (CRConrad) - (1) - June 7, 2002, 09:36:16 AM EDT

Re: Please accept my public apology for - (dmarker2) - June 7, 2002, 10:00:14 AM EDT

Re: Carnot Cycle ... here is an example of a good one - (dmarker2) - (2) - June 7, 2002, 10:39:18 AM EDT

We had one on the roof! - (Ashton) - June 7, 2002, 06:35:04 PM EDT

Re: Carnot Cycle ... here is an example of a good one - (shimon340) - Aug. 26, 2004, 07:07:14 AM EDT

Hey Doug, Toolmakers, Machinists, lathes are STILL here - (tonytib) - (5) - June 8, 2002, 08:58:42 PM EDT

Re: A funny story re Lathes & precision finishing - (dmarker2) - (4) - June 8, 2002, 09:57:54 PM EDT

I had a sort of opposite problem - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - June 8, 2002, 10:46:11 PM EDT

Re: I had a sort of opposite problem - (dmarker2) - (1) - June 9, 2002, 12:03:11 AM EDT

Only the last sentence is relative - (Andrew Grygus) - June 9, 2002, 12:58:20 AM EDT

Taig is still around, but in Arizona - (tonytib) - June 9, 2002, 03:33:29 AM EDT

Re: Where you are leading may - (dmarker2) - (8) - June 7, 2002, 12:21:14 AM EDT

ie 'change is inevitable" - (Ashton) - (7) - June 7, 2002, 06:28:55 AM EDT

Re: ie 'change is inevitable" - (dmarker2) - June 7, 2002, 08:41:42 AM EDT

Therein is the big issue IMO - (drewk) - (5) - June 7, 2002, 09:38:28 AM EDT

Yes - it seems to be that last.. - (Ashton) - (4) - June 7, 2002, 06:47:20 PM EDT

Re: Ashton, have created a new thread in open ... - (dmarker2) - (3) - June 8, 2002, 11:21:29 PM EDT

Beyond call of duty :-) Mine should have been tagged OT - (Ashton) - (2) - June 9, 2002, 08:06:15 PM EDT

Indeed. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - June 11, 2002, 12:08:55 AM EDT

Tip of iceberg? - (Ashton) - June 11, 2002, 04:09:02 AM EDT

Amazing thing I heard about containers - (drewk) - (1) - June 6, 2002, 09:55:24 AM EDT

Sending empties? Buy less shit from there, or sell more! -NT - (CRConrad) - June 6, 2002, 10:01:08 AM EDT

Licensing model - (jake123) - June 5, 2002, 10:21:03 AM EDT

Back below 50 in heavy trading - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - June 3, 2002, 11:13:44 PM EDT

Re: Not just MS - also IBM, Siebel, Redhat - all slumped - (dmarker2) - (1) - June 4, 2002, 02:55:19 AM EDT

Dunno about them 'Industrial Average' thingies - (Ashton) - June 4, 2002, 03:26:54 AM EDT

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