Post #418,960
7/18/17 2:00:36 PM
7/18/17 2:00:36 PM
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This is a rerun.
You're not going to convince me that Sanders would have performed worse than Clinton and I'm not going to convince you that Sanders could have actually won (the fact that he is today the most popular politician in the country notwithstanding). But I'd remind you that you said Clinton "could be competitive" in Indiana also, too. Indiana certainly wasn't decisive. But the Flyover Region was and the entire region is populated by folks not dissimilar from Hoosiers. I see stuff like this and it gives me great concern. It looks like the Democratic Party has already restarted its ever Rightward March to even new dizzying lengths. That's not going to win in 2018 or 2020. We've had essentially the same politics for 40 years. Drumpf is the end game, the terminus of the march entered into 40 years ago. If the Democrats are not prepared to completely reverse course, the nation as we know it won't survive. ... unless ... What I think now is that the country, our people and the world at large would benefit in the extreme if we got rid of the EC. An idea that likely has no chance, but it could save us - or at least, prolong our agony. My idea in 2015 and 2016 that "if only the flyover people could suffer the real consequences of what they've been asking for, they would never go down the Republican road again" was my biggest mistake. They are now, have always been and will always be entirely too ignorant to recognize even the most obvious of facts. They really should have no say whatsoever in how we are governed, let alone a disproportionate say.
bcnu, Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #418,962
7/18/17 2:48:49 PM
7/18/17 2:48:49 PM
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Token reminder
It's not that they're ignorant. That would imply that if you showed them the right information, in a way that they would believe you, they would agree with you.
They won't. They understand the facts of what you're saying and disagree with your conclusions.
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Post #418,966
7/18/17 4:34:03 PM
7/18/17 4:34:03 PM
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Show me one state...
...where an old white Jewish atheist socialist would have beaten Clinton.
I honestly believe that the US would elect a gay woman before it'd elect an avowed atheist. Or a socialist. Or either. Or both.
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Post #418,970
7/18/17 9:18:30 PM
7/18/17 9:18:30 PM
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“Forget it, Pete. It’s mmoffittown.”
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Post #418,982
7/19/17 8:19:48 AM
7/19/17 8:19:48 AM
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That is a toughy.
Which state could the most popular politician in the entire country defeat one of the most unpopular politicians in the country? I mean, Sanders favorability is not even two percentage points higher than Hillary's unfavorability (Sanders 57% favorable, Clinton 55.3% unfavorable). That's a hopeless posit..., er, ... never mind. But don't let mere facts get in the way. This is Trump's America, we no longer have a need for facts.
bcnu, Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #418,984
7/19/17 8:32:26 AM
7/19/17 8:32:26 AM
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Hillary was (and maybe still is) the most popular woman in the country.
Until she started running for President. Then the mud started flying (again). Polls like that don't mean anything when it comes to voting for President. Eichenwald from November. Berniewouldalost maybe in a blowout of biblical proportions. HTH. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #418,985
7/19/17 8:42:52 AM
7/19/17 8:42:52 AM
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Keep repeating it. Eventually everyone will believe it.
Hillary won the nomination by winning the states no Democrat had a chance for in the general (and, of course, those "special" Super Delegates). With this weak showing (nearly losing to "an old Socialist Guy" when she had the entire machinery of the DNC backing her), she still didn't go to Wisconsin. What an idiot.
But, as Rand and to a lesser extent you hasten to point out, it's not her fault she lost the election. It's all because of those damned Berniecrats! We Lefties ruined her coronation and no one's ever going to forgive us for that.
bcnu, Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #418,987
7/19/17 8:50:42 AM
7/19/17 8:50:42 AM
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She lost because of Comey (mostly). She beat Bernie.
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Post #418,990
7/19/17 9:02:05 AM
7/19/17 9:02:05 AM
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Five Comeys shouldn't have mattered! Her opponent was Trump for $DEITY's sake!
bcnu, Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #418,991
7/19/17 9:24:18 AM
7/19/17 9:24:18 AM
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"Shouldn't" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there...
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Post #418,993
7/19/17 9:47:16 AM
7/19/17 9:47:16 AM
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A better candidate would have survived Comey.
bcnu, Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #418,994
7/19/17 10:12:08 AM
7/19/17 10:12:08 AM
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Bernie wouldn't.
You don't get to be as old as him and still in politics without a shitload of embarrassment just waiting to be used against you.
Wasn't there a story about the RNC and their 500 page war book of "shit Bernie doesn't want mentioned"?
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Post #418,995
7/19/17 11:07:28 AM
7/19/17 11:07:28 AM
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See the Eichenwald link in my "Hillary was" link above.
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Post #418,998
7/19/17 11:36:34 AM
7/19/17 11:36:34 AM
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Advertised with Trump's speech about all things Clinton that never happened.
bcnu, Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #419,013
7/19/17 6:40:24 PM
7/19/17 6:40:24 PM
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blame everyone but the crap candidate
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
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Post #418,986
7/19/17 8:45:25 AM
7/19/17 8:45:25 AM
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Also, too.
He replied, “Well, Stein, but—” I interrupted him and said, “You’re lucky it’s illegal for me to punch you in the face.” Then, after telling him to have sex with himself—but with a much cruder term—I turned and walked away. Yeah, I bet that really made him change his mind and vote for Hillary. It is just crazy she lost the election.
bcnu, Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #418,988
7/19/17 8:52:15 AM
7/19/17 8:52:15 AM
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It's an opinion/news piece. He's a reporter, not an outreach guy for the Democrats.
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Post #419,011
7/19/17 6:25:33 PM
7/19/17 6:25:33 PM
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even now she polls lower than trump.
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
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