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New Meh.
Everyone isn't going to agree.

Times change. Tell me about the equivalent to Obamacare that Johnson passed. Etc.

As long as you continue to see the glass as 90% empty when a Democrat is in office, rather than recognizing that the Democrats prevented the Teabaggers from smashing the glass to bits and sent us down the road to dehydration and death, then you're going to be disappointed. :-/

The (slightly) more liberal guy was flawed - he had little to no support among women and minorities. (Shall we talk about the NRA?) A Democrat can't win without their support. And he didn't (ignoring the fact, for the moment, that he's still not a Democrat). He's got huge baggage (his writings, his interviews, where are his taxes?, what are his campaign's ties to Putin?, his inability to explain how he would "break up the banks", etc.). And too many voters (I'm among them) don't agree with his thesis that everything in politics is economics and that all the bad thing about economics can be fixed in Washington or that McConnell "looking out his window" at a big rally is the way to actually make progress.

But we're just going around in circles.

Who do you like in 2020, and think could actually win? I dunno. I think Bernie is too old and too damaged. You? Surely out of 100+M Democrats there's someone out there that you think could get 66+M popular votes and 270 EC votes. (Not just someone whose policies you like, but someone who could actually win.)

Is there a dark horse out there? I remember being surprised when Silverlock (IIRC) came out early for Obama before he even announced (IIRC). But he was right.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Re: Tell me about the equivalent to Obamacare that Johnson passed.
You cannot be serious. Really? Well, you're right. Johnson didn't get "the equivalent to Obamacare" passed, he got two things vastly superior passed and I included them above. Medicare and Medicaid ring any bells? ;0)

Who do I think would be a good candidate in 2020? I honestly don't know. I've heard some grumblings about nobody being "obvious" already, but geez, man, it's four years out. I would have loved Jerry Brown but he,like Sanders, is too old now. And Jerry's drifted a little Right over the years as well, although nowhere near as far Right as the rest of the party. Some have suggested Gavin Newsom, but I don't know if I could support him or not - nothing against him, I just don't know a lot about him.

I'm coming to conclude that this whole self-government experiment is an epic failure and total disaster. 538's still got (today!) Drumpf at 39% approval. How much more evidence of the American People's inability to properly govern themselves does one need? :-\
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New Medicare and Medicaid grew into great programs. They didn't start that way.
https://www.cms.gov/About-CMS/Agency-Information/History/index.html

https://www.cms.gov/About-CMS/Agency-Information/History/Downloads/Medicare-and-Medicaid-Milestones-1937-2015.pdf (9 page .pdf)

They together weren't comprehensive to the population as a whole. We're much, much closer to universal insurance under Obamacare than we were in 1965.

HTH.

Nixon still had a lot of supporters when he got on that chopper, also too. He was around 25% for nearly a year before he resigned.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/08/08/how-the-watergate-crisis-eroded-public-support-for-richard-nixon/

It's still early.

Don't give up. We've got lots of great days ahead of us, if we fight for the future we want.

Cheers,
Scott.
New already gave you two, begich and franken
both are workers, both understand how a budget works and they are likeable people
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New I like Franken a lot. Don't know Begich much at all. We'll see.
     Serious question for Rand. - (mmoffitt) - (39)
         Hillary's done - (malraux)
         Can I answer this one? - (drook) - (21)
             I'm certain (although no time to actually document)... - (mmoffitt) - (20)
                 Fair enough - (drook) - (19)
                     I sure do think that. - (mmoffitt) - (18)
                         That explains a lot - (drook) - (2)
                             Those people are called Republicans. They just don't want to fess up in polite company. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                             By Jove!, this sane discussion is a pukka partial-Reason - (Ashton)
                         You seem to be intentionally confusing things. - (Another Scott) - (14)
                             as you may be. The elction is over in 2020 there is a new one - (boxley) - (4)
                                 WND and the like will rot your brain. I've told you that for years now... - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                     havent read wnd since I called farah out on BS and he wouldnt budge - (boxley) - (2)
                                         I call bullshit - (rcareaga) - (1)
                                             I dont care if you have insensitive testicles - (boxley)
                             box has a point. - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                                 Meh. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                     Re: Tell me about the equivalent to Obamacare that Johnson passed. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                         Medicare and Medicaid grew into great programs. They didn't start that way. - (Another Scott)
                                     already gave you two, begich and franken - (boxley) - (1)
                                         I like Franken a lot. Don't know Begich much at all. We'll see. -NT - (Another Scott)
                                 Yeah, the champions of do-not-WANT-to-understand supporting each other. - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                     Sanders is "an appauling ally"? -NT - (mmoffitt)
                             And it's obvious-enough shorthand that to not understand it, you have to WANT to not understand it. -NT - (CRConrad)
         Late to the party, but OK - (rcareaga) - (7)
             If your attitude is prevalent, 2020's general is going to be close. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                 speaking of attitude - (rcareaga) - (5)
                     Do you want to be right, or do you want to win? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                         Is that really you asking that question? -NT - (drook) - (3)
                             Isn't it clear Right leaning Democrats can't? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                 Democrats picked up House and Senate seats in 2016. So much for "can't win"... -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                     Oh, so that put in the majority. My Bad. How'd State governments do? -NT - (mmoffitt)
         Gotcher liberal condescension right here - (rcareaga) - (7)
             Ah, mind reading! :) - (a6l6e6x)
             The closing paragraph is a killer. - (mmoffitt) - (5)
                 You know it's satire, and not written by Gore, right? -NT - (drook) - (4)
                     My (perhaps charitable) reading - (rcareaga) - (3)
                         You had it right the first time. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                             well, then, we’ve established still more common ground -NT - (rcareaga) - (1)
                                 There's more common ground than not, imo. -NT - (mmoffitt)

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