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New IMO, the workable, sane solution comes from aviation.
The Air Force just ran a test on autonomous drones. That comes only 103 years after the first autopilot in an aircraft was demonstrated.

The workable, sane solution for automobiles is to abandon the notion of complete autonomy and instead work toward developing the technology that is commonplace in aviation today. The "boring" parts of driving (Interstate and highway travel) should be done with the autopilot engaged. Pulling out of a parking space (the equivalent of taxiing) and Parking (the equivalent of taxiing to the ramp) should be done by human hands. If this is about safety (which it isn't) that's the approach we should pursue. For instance, ...
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) reports that, in 2013, nearly 3,000 more fatal car accidents happened on rural roads than on busy urban streets.

https://www.esurance.com/info/car/where-car-accidents-happen-most

But, like everything else in this country, this has nothing to do with safety. It's about increasing the acceleration of the polarization of wealth. Why share wealth with taxi drivers when we can (1) Get Uber to perform the same duty for a lot less and (2) eliminate the need for humans entirely and funnel the saved dollars to people who contribute nothing to the process - like we do with our health care system. So, we really won't need to solve that 1% of the "problem" of autonomous cars after all. What's a few dead precariats in the face of increasing profit?

Edit: The *real* solution, of course, is mass transit. But, there's not enough money in that for the shareholders.
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Expand Edited by mmoffitt Jan. 13, 2017, 08:38:26 AM EST
New And you think mass transit will have drivers?
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New Do trains? Do buses?
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Expand Edited by mmoffitt Jan. 13, 2017, 08:42:12 AM EST
New Yeah. Finland is Just like LA.
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New The Detroit People Mover is automated.
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-scott
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New hard to rob a robot
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New With human observers.
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Mikem

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New Not drivers though.
One observer can watch the whole line.
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
New DLR is fully automatic
The only humans involved are the euphemistically-titled Revenue Protection Officers - they check that you've not jumped the barrier.

Tube will be going the same way within 10 years, I predict. Bigger and busier than the LA metro (roughly 10x daily ridership).

ETA: DLR ridership, on its own, is on par with the entire LA Metro.
Expand Edited by pwhysall Jan. 17, 2017, 04:06:08 PM EST
New No, not all of Finland is.
But, see the word "Helsinki" in that URL? That's not exactly a six-mile country-road straight with a single T-crossing and Children Of The Corn on each side as far as the eye can see.

(Though, yeah: 1) "Test". 2) All of two "buses", "carrying up to 12 public passengers" [each, presumably]. 3) "in Helsinki’s Hernesaari neighborhood", not exactly downtown Tokyo at rush hour. But still, not North by Northwest, either.)
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New "Has nothing to do with safety"
Well, that's what I want it for. YMMV. This isn't a single-issue situation, like most things that get presented in a black or white manner as you just did. I'm pretty sure the people at Google weren't sitting around thinking, "Hey, taxi drivers, right? How can we stick it to those assholes?"

The car companies are going to make what people want to buy, for the most part. See all of the current safety systems being added to cars now for example (the 2017 Corolla has automated braking and blind spot avoidance, for crying out loud). Safety is very much a driver (*ahem*) for automation.
Regards,
-scott
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     Atrios writes on self driving cars again. - (Another Scott) - (19)
         Re: Atrios writes on self driving cars again. - (Ashton)
         IMO, the workable, sane solution comes from aviation. - (mmoffitt) - (11)
             And you think mass transit will have drivers? -NT - (drook) - (9)
                 Do trains? Do buses? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (8)
                     No and no - (drook) - (7)
                         Yeah. Finland is Just like LA. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                             The Detroit People Mover is automated. -NT - (malraux) - (3)
                                 hard to rob a robot -NT - (boxley)
                                 With human observers. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                     Not drivers though. - (malraux)
                             DLR is fully automatic - (pwhysall)
                             No, not all of Finland is. - (CRConrad)
             "Has nothing to do with safety" - (malraux)
         2 problems, 2 solutions - (drook) - (5)
             Better solution: Get rid of automobiles. - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                 There's a lot to that. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                     Why would people want it? They are incredibly lazy. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                         Goddamn right. - (malraux)
                 So, switch to Light Rail in stead? - (CRConrad)

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