heh, just got a new t-mobile android phone

Post #415,613 by boxley 11/22/16 2:59:04 PM 11/22/16 2:59:04 PM Reply	heh, just got a new t-mobile android phone alcatel PIXI4 4G LTE makes phone calls texts and does intarwebb $19.95 all in NIB :-) always look out for number one and don't step in number two
Post #415,614 by Another Scott 11/22/16 3:21:46 PM 11/22/16 3:21:46 PM Reply	:-) Rub it in. ;-) I don't get phones very often and want it to last a while. I'm happy. Cheers, Scott.
Post #415,623 by mmoffitt 11/22/16 4:48:57 PM 11/22/16 4:48:57 PM Reply	Any privacy concerns with Assistant on your part? Snowden certainly is no fan. bcnu, Mikem I think religion should be treated with ridicule, hatred and contempt. And I claim that right. Christopher Hitchens.
Post #415,625 by Another Scott 11/22/16 5:15:34 PM 11/22/16 5:15:34 PM Reply	Not yet. I haven't used any of the "Ok, Google" stuff in the past - I assume the Assistant is just a fancied-up version of that. I'm almost always around a bunch of noise, so I don't really see the benefit of trying to yell at my phone or some gadget in the house, yet. My past interactions with voice recognition have almost always been less than satisfactory. E.g. being at an airport, calling an airline and getting some voice system while some announcement comes on and confuses the system. :-/ I recall someone doing a thought experiment of being on TV for New Year's (or something) and yelling out "Hey Siri, What's the best way to ...!" and trying to crash Apple's servers that way. I don't worry about the privacy stuff. There are enough important things to worry about as it is... YMMV. Cheers, Scott.
Post #415,626 by drook 11/22/16 5:36:43 PM 11/22/16 5:36:43 PM Reply	Voice recognition is vastly better in my new phone Don't know if it's the hardware or the software. I suspect recognition is happening locally now, based on the speed. -- Drew
Post #415,627 by crazy 11/22/16 6:03:01 PM 11/22/16 6:03:02 PM Reply	Agreed (vastly better) for my G6 Not sure about the local statement. My vr has problems as I drive away from my house, and wifi data disappears. 3 seconds later it works again when my non wifi data connection firms up. I actually test to see how quietly spoken, quickly (running words together), and in heavy wind noise it will work. And am amazed how well it deals with it. The visual shows a series of mistakes and then it corrects itself, showing it understands not just the sounds I make but the context in which they make sense.
Post #415,629 by drook 11/22/16 7:36:55 PM 11/22/16 7:36:55 PM Reply	Did some looking Found this note on StackOverflow. "From what I can establish, Google tests the availability of a connection prior to deciding whether to use offline or online recognition. If a connection is available initially but is lost prior to the response, Google will supply a connection error, it won’t fall-back to offline." That seems to describe your testing. And I just tested, VR works in airplane mode. -- Drew
Post #415,630 by crazy 11/22/16 7:47:21 PM 11/22/16 7:47:21 PM Reply	Thanks While it works offline, I bet it doesn't work as well. For the vast majority of use (set alarm, launch known program, etc), local should be ok. But when doing complex dictation, I ASSUME online (with deep context analysis) would have an edge.
Post #415,631 by drook 11/22/16 8:41:41 PM 11/22/16 8:41:41 PM Reply	Yeah, online is actually faster -- Drew
Post #415,670 by pwhysall 11/25/16 3:23:11 AM 11/25/16 3:23:11 AM Reply	Privacy is the least of your worries on Android The massive shambling shitshow that is the security and updates situation, that's your big worry. /flees
Post #415,825 by Another Scott 12/2/16 2:49:37 PM 12/2/16 2:49:37 PM Reply	Re: Privacy is the least of your worries on Android http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/12/buffer-overflow-exploit-can-bypass-activation-lock-on-ipads-running-ios-10-1-1/ ;-p ;-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #415,832 by pwhysall 12/3/16 2:36:30 AM 12/3/16 2:36:30 AM Reply	Re: Privacy is the least of your worries on Android Good point, although that's iPad-specific. The issue is really the update situation, and it's two-fold: 1. Even Nexus devices don't get OS updates for long enough - basically every Android device on the planet drops off the support roadmap after about two years 2. Carriers are chiselling grasping bastards 3. Vendors are chiselling grasping bastards 4. Google can't or won't use the Google Play Services agreement to circumvent 2 and 3 (e.g. by enforcing a rational Android OS update programme) There's lots wrong with Apple, of course, but 2 and 3, whilst still true, don't prevent updates from getting to my phone. There's a hypothetical 5, too - the ability to tick the box that says "use unknown app sources" or whatever it's called. I'm pretty sure most people who do that in order to get App X on their phone aren't fully cognisant of the implications, and there's piss-all Google can do (short of having real-time dynamic app security analytics including static analysis - basically the security audit that's done as part of accepting apps into the Play Store - built into Android itself) to protect people. I lied

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