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New You just did "ooh look a monkey"
Whatever Apple does or does not do has no bearing on Google's shitbaggery.
New All I'm saying is one is no better or worse than the other. The reasons may vary, but both are evil.
New So what?
I'm not talking about Apple.

It literally doesn't matter to my point whether Apple pays its (few) taxes in the souls of cute enslaved children and Tim Cook drinks blood from the skull of a failed underling.

The whole reason Google said "don't be evil" and "this is the definition of open" was to get moral traction. I'm simply pointing out that Google is being an arsehole in direct contradiction of its stated position; this arseholery stands on its own irrespective whether Apple is also being an arsehole. And Apple never said they weren't going to be an arsehole.

Look! A shiny, shiny monkey!

Whataboutery kills debate and discussion. Quit it.
New Exactly.
"So what?" Your point about Google back stepping it's stated goal of "doing no evil" is irrelevant in the market place precisely because Capitalism is part and parcel of doing evil. If you're going to have one of these gadgets, you're going to be doing business with companies engaged in evil. No sane person believed Google's initial claim of "doing no evil" and properly understood it to mean, "doing no evil until we get enough market share. Then, like all good Capitalists, we'll be as evil as the market allows." So, why are you complaining about Google?

But, you're not talking about Apple. I'm asking, "Why not?" Your position here misses the larger point. That's all. You may not want to address it and that's fine. But taking a gander at the entire forest instead of focusing on a tree doesn't limit anything. It enhances the vision.
New And I just told you why not.
You want to go and talk about Apple? Fine. Go make a thread.

But please stop with this seagull threadcrapping whataboutery bullshit, just because someone doesn't want to frame the debate in your schizophrenic communist-in-america way.

Y'know, capitalism is really bad. But what about socialism, eh? What about every other failed ideology? You haven't mentioned them! Why not?
     Pixel XL. Ouch. - (Another Scott) - (61)
         I want my e911 chip free flip phone back. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1)
             EVLeaks on Twitter mumbled something about flip phones coming back next year. - (Another Scott)
         Nice colors - (drook) - (2)
             Heh - (pwhysall) - (1)
                 Looks like these, too - (drook)
         So, it's not a loss leader. :) - (a6l6e6x)
         Re: Pixel XL. Ouch. - (pwhysall) - (12)
             They're offering a new ecosystem with very fast hardware. - (Another Scott) - (11)
                 Eh? No they're not - (pwhysall) - (10)
                     Disagree. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                         How to get assistant everywhere in 2 steps - (pwhysall) - (2)
                             Re: giving up in a couple of years - (drook) - (1)
                                 iPhone? 4 years for many - (pwhysall)
                     Google Fi FTW - (drook) - (3)
                         It does sound appealing. I use very little data most months. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                             Yeah, you pay for all your data - (drook) - (1)
                                 The unthrottled foreign data sounds great... - (Another Scott)
                     Mossberg thinks it's a big deal. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                         He's an outlier on this one - (pwhysall)
         If you want a Pixel, avoid Verizon - (pwhysall) - (19)
             Verizon's always been evil. - (Another Scott) - (18)
                 Worse than the ringtone - (drook) - (1)
                     Oooh. I'd forgotten about that. -NT - (Another Scott)
                 I couldn't care less about the bootloader - (pwhysall) - (15)
                     Yeahbut... - (Another Scott) - (14)
                         Yeahbut what? - (pwhysall) - (13)
                             "Don't be evil" - (mmoffitt) - (5)
                                 You just did "ooh look a monkey" - (pwhysall) - (4)
                                     All I'm saying is one is no better or worse than the other. The reasons may vary, but both are evil. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                         So what? - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                             Exactly. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                 And I just told you why not. - (pwhysall)
                             Eh? I don't like Verizon. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                                 Google doesn't need to sell phones, though. - (pwhysall) - (5)
                                     But... - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                         Sure - (pwhysall)
                                     +5, Interesting. - (static) - (2)
                                         Might be worth double-checking that - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                             No, it's not locked to Telstra. - (static)
         Decided I just can't do it. New T-Mobile $330 LG V10 looks like a possible winner. - (Another Scott) - (21)
             New ones at eBay for $280. - (Another Scott)
             It arrived today. - (Another Scott) - (5)
                 when I get a new, the local tmobile store is happy to put a sim in for me free -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                     Good to know. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                         they are as competent with their products as the applestore folks with theirs -NT - (boxley)
                 Bah. The cutter, etc., won't arrive until Monday. Grr... -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                     Patience, Grasshopper! :) -NT - (a6l6e6x)
             Initial thoughts. - (Another Scott) - (12)
                 heh, just got a new t-mobile android phone - (boxley) - (11)
                     :-) Rub it in. ;-) - (Another Scott) - (10)
                         Any privacy concerns with Assistant on your part? - (mmoffitt) - (9)
                             Not yet. - (Another Scott) - (8)
                                 Voice recognition is vastly better in my new phone - (drook) - (4)
                                     Agreed (vastly better) for my G6 - (crazy) - (3)
                                         Did some looking - (drook) - (2)
                                             Thanks - (crazy) - (1)
                                                 Yeah, online is actually faster -NT - (drook)
                                 Privacy is the least of your worries on Android - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                     Re: Privacy is the least of your worries on Android - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                         Re: Privacy is the least of your worries on Android - (pwhysall)
             Down to $300 at B&H now. -NT - (Another Scott)

Like when you're stuck in a traffic jam for an hour only to learn that the root cause was somebody on the roadside losing a piece of their McGriddle between their plump thighs.
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