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New EMDrive goes through another round of tests
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38577.msg1440938#msg1440938

However since I still can't show you this supporting data until the EW Lab gets our next peer-reviewed lab paper published, I will tell you that we first built and installed a 2nd generation, closed face magnetic damper that reduced the stray magnetic fields in the vacuum chamber by at least an order of magnitude and any Lorentz force interactions it could produce. I also changed up the torque pendulum's grounding wire scheme and single point ground location to minimize ground loop current interactions with the remaining stray magnetic fields and unbalanced dc currents from the RF amplifier when its turned on. This reduced the Lorentz force interaction to less than 2 micro-Newton (uN) for the dummy load test. Finally we rebuilt the copper frustum test article so that it is now fully integrated with the RF VCO, PLL, 100W RF amp, dual directional coupler, 3-stub tuner and connecting coax cables, then mounted this integrated test article at the opposite end of the torque pendulum, as far away as possible from the 2nd generation magnetic damper where only the required counterbalance weights now reside. Current null testing with both the 50 ohm dummy load and with the integrated test article rotated 90 degrees with respect to the TP sensitive axis now show less than one uN of Lorentz forces on the TP due to dc magnetic interactions with the local environment even when drawing the maximum RF amp dc current of 12 amps.

Given all of the above TP wiring and test article modifications with respect to our 2014 AIAA/JPC paper design baseline needed to address these Lorentz force magnetic interaction issues, we are still seeing over 100uN of force with 80W of RF power going into the frustum running in the TM212 resonant mode, now in both directions, dependent on the direction of the mounted integrated test article on the TP. However these new plus and minus thrust signatures are still contaminated by thermally induced TP center of gravity (cg) zero-thrust baseline shifts brought on by the expansion of the copper frustum and aluminum RF amp and its heat sink when heated by the RF, even though these copper and aluminum cg shifts are now fighting each other. (Sadly these TP cg baseline shifts are ~3X larger in-vacuum than in-air due to the better insulating qualities of the vacuum, so the in-vacuum thrust runs look very thermally contaminated whereas the in-air run look very impulsive.) So we have now developed an analytical tool to help separate the EM-Drive thrust pulse waveform contributions from the thermal expansion cg induced baseline shifts of the TP. Not being satisfied with just this analytical impulsive vs thermal signal separation approach, we are now working on a new integrated test article subsystem mounting arrangement with a new phase-change thermal management subsystem that should mitigate this thermally induced TP cg baseline shift problem once and for-all.


So they reduced more possible sources of contamination and still saw thrust. I think this is getting the appropriate level of attention at this point; that is, a small team is methodically going through all of the possible sources of thrust and eliminating them from the test rig. The odds say they will eventually find something environmental causing the thrust, but each round of testing is reducing those odds.

The best test would be putting the damn thing in a cubsat and seeing if it works in space.
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
New I'd love a job where I could sit and speculate on things like that
But I'd need about 10 years of math before I could even understand the issues.
--

Drew
New No kidding
But, nope. Business programmering because mortgage for me.
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
New These are tiny forces they're claiming to measure...
100 µN is tiny.

How tiny?

Ultra-miniature force plate for measuring triaxial forces in the micronewton range (7 page .pdf)

See figure 6. A running wood ant generates ~ 100 µN when its leg hits the surface.

They're claiming to see 100 µN when running a lot of current and RF power in a gizmo.

Yes, they're trying to eliminate any sources of error.

And of course, any non-zero result from this EM Drive experiment is interesting, but as you say, it seems very unlikely that they're seeing any new physics here. They're likely still seeing spurious forces.

My $0.02.

Cheers,
Scott.
     EMDrive goes through another round of tests - (malraux) - (3)
         I'd love a job where I could sit and speculate on things like that - (drook) - (1)
             No kidding - (malraux)
         These are tiny forces they're claiming to measure... - (Another Scott)

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