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7/16/15 11:59:44 AM
7/16/15 12:00:40 PM
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never mind, you withdrew the assertion below
I don't recall anyone of accusing him of betting against his team.
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Edited by boxley
July 16, 2015, 12:00:40 PM EDT
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Post #403,515
7/17/15 5:20:54 PM
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Guy who wrote the Dowd Report said it
that's what I remembered: In December 2002, Dowd told the New York Post that he had reliable evidence that Rose bet against his team but didn't include it in his 225-page report because of time constraints. He later backed off of those statements. "I was never able to tie it down," Dowd said. "It was unreliable, and that's why I didn't include it in the report. I probably shouldn't have said it. I was not trying to start something here."
http://seanlahman.com/files/rose/rose-faq.htmlThen again, this is as close to betting against your team as you can come without actually doing so: According to the Dowd report, which included a diary of bets that Rose made on Reds games and many others — it listed bets on 390 games over all, 52 of them involving the Reds, in a three-month period in 1987 — Rose developed a consistency of not betting on certain contests.
In particular, Rose stopped betting on Reds games that Gullickson started. If Rose bet on his team to win other games but didn’t bet on Gullickson’s games, he was sending a signal to the bookies he was betting with that he, as manager of the team, didn’t think much of his team’s chances in those games.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/16/sports/baseball/16chass.html?_r=0Not betting on your team to win when a certain pitcher is starting is damn near the same thing as betting against your team when that guy is pitching, especially when you're betting on the Reds to win almost every other game.
Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous. - - - Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" 1897
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Trump:" Put Pete Rose in Hall of Fame"
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lincoln)
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- July 14, 2015, 11:37:34 AM EDT
cheater? he gambled, not threw games
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boxley)
- July 14, 2015, 03:23:48 PM EDT
Wrong
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crazy)
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- July 14, 2015, 08:17:30 PM EDT
And he did it while he was the manager
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lincoln)
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- July 15, 2015, 11:33:46 AM EDT
That was his job
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crazy)
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- July 15, 2015, 12:37:17 PM EDT
Yup
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drook)
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- July 15, 2015, 01:21:14 PM EDT
Presumably there was a point spread?
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Another Scott)
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- July 15, 2015, 03:26:54 PM EDT
^ What he said.
-NT
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mmoffitt)
- July 15, 2015, 08:05:31 PM EDT
no spread in baseball
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boxley)
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- July 15, 2015, 09:30:21 PM EDT
Wouldn't make sense
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drook)
- July 15, 2015, 11:11:55 PM EDT
"Bet-at-home.com" advertises on tennis matches...
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Another Scott)
- Aug. 2, 2015, 03:09:56 PM EDT
He probably also bet against them at times
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lincoln)
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- July 15, 2015, 03:11:49 PM EDT
Based on what?
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drook)
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- July 15, 2015, 04:48:49 PM EDT
If you bet against your own people
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lincoln)
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- July 16, 2015, 11:24:02 AM EDT
never mind, you withdrew the assertion below
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boxley)
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- July 16, 2015, 12:00:40 PM EDT
Guy who wrote the Dowd Report said it
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lincoln)
- July 17, 2015, 05:20:54 PM EDT
Just like you probably beat your *****?
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crazy)
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- July 15, 2015, 04:50:33 PM EDT
Re: Just like you probably beat your *****?
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lincoln)
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- July 16, 2015, 11:34:01 AM EDT
Reading the entrails
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drook)
- July 16, 2015, 12:38:00 PM EDT
And I accept this is a good point
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crazy)
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- July 17, 2015, 07:45:39 AM EDT
You didn't prove my point wrong
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lincoln)
- July 17, 2015, 10:51:24 AM EDT
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