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Post #403,331
by pwhysall
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7/8/15 1:01:47 PM
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New Whev
Go you! You found an error that makes Greece kindasorta not look like a complete economic basket case! Technically correct, the best kind of correct!

They're working SO hard and being SO honest and they're SO well-disciplined that this is all someone else's fault.

Fuck that.

Greece is in a bed of its own making - a debt built on endemic corruption, tax evasion, cronyism and all the other shit that goes along with it. As a nation, if you dodge €30B/year of taxes but spend the money anyway, you're gonna end up fucked.

But yeah, it's obviously not Greece's fault and the EZ countries should just keep right on paying.
Post #403,342
by mmoffitt
7/8/15 4:22:58 PM
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New Re: EZ countries should just keep right on paying.
I'm not suggesting that. I'm only suggesting that the bankster controlled governments admit their part in making a bad situation (entirely the fault of the Greeks) immeasurably worse and the current "we must continue the punishment, it's the only way to save them" policy is horribly flawed.
     Greece: It's the politics, stupid! - (Another Scott) - (41) - June 28, 2015, 01:20:49 PM EDT
         Nah! The Greek governmaent was elected to stiff the rest of EU. - (a6l6e6x) - (29) - June 28, 2015, 04:52:35 PM EDT
             We'll see. - (Another Scott) - (28) - June 28, 2015, 05:46:38 PM EDT
                 They will have a depression now. - (a6l6e6x) - (5) - June 28, 2015, 09:36:02 PM EDT
                     25+% unemployment for 3+ years isn't already a depression? - (Another Scott) - (4) - June 28, 2015, 10:35:35 PM EDT
                         is that american unemployment measure or really counting all the people out of work? -NT - (boxley) - (2) - June 28, 2015, 10:46:54 PM EDT
                             Re: is that american unemployment measure or really counting all the people out of work? - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 28, 2015, 10:58:30 PM EDT
                                 For one thing BLS has the notion of "discouraged workers". - (a6l6e6x) - June 28, 2015, 11:34:39 PM EDT
                         If it's measured like in the US, then yes. - (a6l6e6x) - June 28, 2015, 10:58:14 PM EDT
                 Greece was supposed to have a shallow recession - (pwhysall) - (21) - June 29, 2015, 01:04:39 AM EDT
                     The endemic tax evasion problem goes back decades. - (static) - (1) - June 29, 2015, 02:20:15 AM EDT
                         Agreed 100% -NT - (pwhysall) - June 29, 2015, 03:23:31 AM EDT
                     It's hard to have a primary surplus without collecting taxes... - (Another Scott) - (18) - June 29, 2015, 08:12:27 AM EDT
                         I don't disagree - (pwhysall) - (3) - June 29, 2015, 09:39:02 AM EDT
                             Bring back Ottoman rule! :) - (a6l6e6x) - (2) - June 29, 2015, 01:23:45 PM EDT
                                 Yes, but the Turks have much fancier outfits. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - July 1, 2015, 12:44:09 PM EDT
                                     you sure? looks like a shriners convention -NT - (boxley) - July 1, 2015, 12:49:12 PM EDT
                         More on the structural problems facing Greece: - (pwhysall) - (13) - July 7, 2015, 03:19:05 AM EDT
                             Yeah, if only Syria had not won the election, then the Banksters would have fixed everything... :-/ -NT - (Another Scott) - (12) - July 7, 2015, 01:04:41 PM EDT
                                 So what's your solution? - (pwhysall) - (11) - July 7, 2015, 05:03:31 PM EDT
                                     Excluded middle ... but you know that, right? - (drook) - (10) - July 7, 2015, 05:07:22 PM EDT
                                         OK, how do you do that? - (pwhysall) - (9) - July 7, 2015, 05:10:22 PM EDT
                                             You broke it, you bought it - (drook) - (8) - July 7, 2015, 07:48:10 PM EDT
                                                 This. - (Another Scott) - July 8, 2015, 02:18:33 AM EDT
                                                 Why not? - (pwhysall) - (6) - July 8, 2015, 02:55:45 AM EDT
                                                     I don't know that 12-step programs work on social psychology - (drook) - (4) - July 8, 2015, 09:14:12 AM EDT
                                                         Or we could just keep right on tipping money into their economy - (pwhysall) - (3) - July 8, 2015, 12:29:12 PM EDT
                                                             Oh, I see, you just make up convenient "facts." - (mmoffitt) - (2) - July 8, 2015, 12:48:45 PM EDT
                                                                 Whev - (pwhysall) - (1) - July 8, 2015, 01:01:47 PM EDT
                                                                     Re: EZ countries should just keep right on paying. - (mmoffitt) - July 8, 2015, 04:22:58 PM EDT
                                                     Right. - (mmoffitt) - July 8, 2015, 09:22:18 AM EDT
         Krugman: The Reverse Corleone - (Another Scott) - (4) - June 28, 2015, 10:50:18 PM EDT
             Re: "they made Tsipras an offer he can’t accept" - (a6l6e6x) - (3) - June 28, 2015, 11:09:06 PM EDT
                 Sure you can. At least for a while. - (crazy) - (1) - June 29, 2015, 08:55:23 AM EDT
                     :-) -NT - (boxley) - June 29, 2015, 11:06:26 AM EDT
                 Yeah. Who do they think they are? Wall Street Bankers? -NT - (mmoffitt) - June 29, 2015, 08:55:33 AM EDT
         Greece blinked - (crazy) - (2) - July 1, 2015, 09:48:40 AM EDT
             It's really hard to know who's giving the straight story on this stuff. - (Another Scott) - July 1, 2015, 11:09:18 AM EDT
             They are literally playing games. - (a6l6e6x) - July 1, 2015, 06:09:08 PM EDT
         Good article on monetary policy and why the euro was doomed from the start - (crazy) - July 6, 2015, 07:17:32 PM EDT
         Piketty (and others) open letter to Frau Merkel. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - July 8, 2015, 10:01:39 AM EDT
             Puritanical visions of comeuppances (visited on anonymous Others) ..not just the Murican schadenfreude - (Ashton) - July 10, 2015, 04:20:19 PM EDT

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