I don't know how Europe does it.

Post #400,484 by mmoffitt 3/27/15 1:55:51 PM Reply	I don't know how Europe does it. But what I've read indicates to me that he was looking at the equivalent of losing his medical here. That would be career ending.
Post #400,485 by malraux 3/27/15 2:10:32 PM Reply	His response was definitely career ending. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #400,486 by mmoffitt 3/27/15 2:11:49 PM Reply	And an affirmation of the physician's finding.
Post #400,497 by Nightowl 3/28/15 12:23:46 AM Reply	He wanted to go down in spectacular fashion and be remembered Airbus crash pilot Andreas Lubitz had been planning a spectacular gesture to make everyone "remember" who he was, it was claimed on Friday night. An ex-girlfriend of the Germanwings pilot who crashed his plane in the French Alps, killing all 149 others on board, described him as "tormented" and able to hide secrets. Maria, 26 (not her real name), told Bild newspaper that when she heard about the crash she remembered that he had said he was going do something "that would change the system" and "make everyone remember" him. She added: "It didn't make sense at the time but now it all does." Maria, who is thought to have met Lubitz at work, said he would wake up at night screaming in terror: "We're going down." Full article here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviation/11501075/Andreas-Lubitz-planned-spectacular-gesture-that-would-go-down-in-history-claims-ex-girlfriend.html Well...he'll certainly be remembered... Brenda ___________________________________________________________________ I feel like a melted-down owl between two slices of parent!
Post #400,498 by Nightowl 3/28/15 12:23:54 AM 3/28/15 12:25:31 AM Reply	Ignore...dupe post. Sorry. ___________________________________________________________________ I feel like a melted-down owl between two slices of parent! Edited by Nightowl March 28, 2015, 12:25:31 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #400,507 by scoenye 3/28/15 11:03:38 AM Reply	Doesn't matter much Having come out at a low-cost operator would have been a career ender, official loss of license or not. Calling in sick is not good for the profit margins and they do not have the protections that staff at the old state airlines still have to some extent. The undercurrent that things are amiss has always been there, but it usually gets drowned out by other, more important news. In the wake of this disaster, though, the situation has been getting at least a bit more exposure. Some of the things that have come out are that a good number of young pilots, like Lubtiz, are paying the opertors to fly. It is their only hope of recuperating the money spent getting their license. And 20% of all the pilots are "contractors". I.e. they fly at the beck and call of the operator for next to nothing, but are expected to keep up with training and regulations on their own dime. Add all that to the stress inherent to the job, and it is a wonder that depression has not reached epidemic proportions yet. Than again, maybe it has as no one dares to talk about it.
Post #400,508 by Another Scott 3/28/15 11:20:30 AM Reply	Excellent points. I would expect worker protections are stronger in Germany than in the US, but medical fitness is a huge deal for pilots. For obvious reasons. Here's hoping companies everywhere, and not just in aviation, carefully look at the report when it comes out. When companies promote their exclusivity, status, etc., and work to get people who are willing to devote their lives to working there, those companies have responsibilities to the people to keep them safe, treat them respectfully, and understand that that the workers' economic and emotional investment is huge. Crushing peoples' psyche, even if objectively required for safety, shouldn't be done in a vacuum. People aren't disposable, and people who are responsible for hundreds of lives and millions of dollars worth of equipment and potentially billions of dollars in liability judgments, doubly so. Tragic all around. I hope the correct lessons are learned. Cheers, Scott.
Post #400,523 by Ashton 3/28/15 5:19:54 PM Reply	Share your unrealistic hopes.. because one. must. Our kultur long ago decided that it was OK--re every. one's. health, survival--to invoke the famous highwayman koan, Your money/or your life! {mofo.. implicit} Proliferation of tony knock-off clinics, all For-profit, with spoils going to the Eye-of-each-pyramid ..and a big ETC. is what we wrought, via accepting the ethics-free umbrella of the overriding vulture-nature of our capitalist national religion. Statistics ain't got no ethics either: an acceptable #crashes/company/decade [or aircraft-model?] is the 'bar' which apportions the spending; decisions all made in the mentioned, wealthy-already Eye of the Org. As scoenye reminds, the 'amiss' undercurrent has already been there. Nobody has a nice model of a litmus test for those of whom Much is expected, [simply: Perfection] while Pay and equally-important Epaulets are withheld.. (in some cases, even decent food and shelter is not affordable): after you land that multi-$M machine with its multi-$B cargo-of-Liabilities. Many here have seen skits about the double, triple-bunking of crews of less-than-Iconic marques; corollary to each of these skits: how many of these Live sleep-deprived/thus WORK sleep-deprived? ..most working-days of any year. Have a nice/cheap/safe Flight; pick-any-two. (BONUS: If flights cost lots more.. and soon: there will be less lethal pollution/day too.) So.. you know.. (right?) the Real-mofos, those who apportion via an early-inculcated Zero-sum concept of life-itself? will--even now, 3+ days after this kid Lost It!--see any next expenditures in terms reduced to two aspects: 1) We have to spend PR money Now! to sell reassurances/thus appearances that: we will 100%-spot any next clone {yaShure..} 2) Every dollar, Euro, Guilder of that comes directly out of my Second-Veyron piggy-bank, so we will-not overspend on the above. (I labor here to withhold my feelings about the Master-Gamers of All systems; those who, currently control most actions that ever cost over a couple million zlotys, planetwide); all know that such-as-these give nary a Shit about the truthiness in yours, scoenye's remarks. They care-not a Shit even whether the planet can maintain, so long as they die-first with more Stuff than can be inventoried in a fortnight. (What do we always do, once a pestilence has been positively I.D.'d and the news finally penetrates avge-grade jelloware? Fingers crossed.) Could our species possibly garner more than a [D-] collectively ... on Deportment? (I award no Points for some rather lovely koans extant, as those were intended for Others to follow.) :-/ We must continue to expect better, especially of the young and not-yet concretized ... ... in perpetual hopes that not-All of us are indeed Bastards. I'm a sucker for that, too. :-)
Post #400,524 by Ashton 3/28/15 5:53:13 PM Reply	Flying amortization -vs- Student Loans SImilar scams? both avenues encounter the Crass, foremost--it seems. Many have struggled along, making whatever min-payment-Forever... keeps then off the FAIL-so-Prosecute roster. Their "degrees", worthless to any Std. crass-CIEIO who sees only a commodity. (When you need an MBA, merely to survive--do you really want to live in a spot where bizness ethics governs all neighbors, too?) (I guess that anyone who flies an Embraer and such--for more than a summer's duration say?--already has the UV-revealable Scarlet-letter on forehead): A (Ain't Got our kind of Cuth.) Wonder how long it takes the more alert wannabes to discover ... Gehabt, KIndern! and %what? shall eventually seek ..revenge on some scale. I admit my ignorance of what %meritocracy "a Captain makes", but Air France 447 and its Bonin clearly indicated a kid in that seat via aristocracy underpinnings (and in another crash, a pilot had let his kids PLAY with teh pretty Glass-wall and buttons.) I no verbs. Who really did say (first?) ..the more you find out, the darker it gets.

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