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New (MM?) 'Is Ukraine a Proxy Western-Russia War? U.S. Weighs Arming Kiev as Violence Soars'
At Democracy Now, also The Nation Stephen Cohen takes on *Steven Talbot re the misinforation (and perhaps muddlement in Washington?) and Merkel's double-speak in urging a settlement (while signing-on to each escalation towards a military confrontation.) The creds of each within text, also Cohen's new book on the topic, in sidebar.

* Cohen alleges that Talbot was "the Russian guy" under Clinton who has lobbied consistently--with a board of Hawks--for YAN war, US [plus 'The Willing' again?] with Russia or say, "Putin's Russia."
[Add-in Netanyahu -vs- BHO framing of Y.A.N. excuse for calling-in the Marines. Like all such essays, Framing is All, yet this mini-story, amidst Israel, ISIS and the never-ending Syrian blotch on the escutcheon of all History: illustrates just how useless are the sound-bites of traditional Murican disfunctional non-journalism.

I pretend-not to ken a Sane Solution (to whatever--behind the wall of all governments' Secrecy--are the less-soluble issues, in any of these.) Just observe that the common thread is that, in this Ukraine matter, NONE of the governments are presenting other-than cynical, tortured rationales for any next small-escalation of just this Known-series of clusterfucks of massive Disingenuousness.

It's a brief debate, but methinks the ingredients are there, for assessing whether or not The Species has had a fair Trial, to date, whether via Hawks -vs- Doves, Evangelists -vs- (other) Ayatollahs ... or just limitless plundering of the remaining resources of the soon-baking planet.
World [??] seems to be readying for Guns of AUgust III, just so that the 21st Century can soon join the 20th as Overriding-Reason for the elimination of the human species, in the interest of mere basic planetary Housekeeping.

[Aside: by 2030, "there are projected to be One Billion of the (clinically-) Obese.]

Now.. I think I'll look for my copy of WIll Cuppy's now-ancient epistle, The Decline and Fall of Practically Everybody a title whose prescience could hardly have seemed-so, >half a century ago. Then it was deemed a humorous opus, once recommended by my Mater.

We remain incorrigible, via eloquent words or gutter-grade ripostes. We persist in possessing fabulous Communications technology, sans any authentic communication, save in rare cases. Debates like this small-sample must occur on tiny venues, oft crowd-funded, while the likes of a Wm. Kristol can get mega-microphones from the Oceania news-Clowns (© PK Dick.) Want 'Democracy Now!' et al ... at all? Donate, or you won't get it for long: just the 2015 Editions of the Völkisher Beobachter and its clones. It's 1931 again (and you've not been told that this is all a Re-run/are we all On-VCRs?)



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on to [Link TV==mondo documentaries] re 'Obesity' and our making the World Fat by exporting our $profitable food-like-substances, especially South of the dis-USA (it's close: saves $shipping costs.) See pics of cute fat-little babies, and other exponential effects. People largely eat "Outside-the-home" sez it all about diabetes and the other litanies.

In China: the snacking began in 2002; several thousand families were sampled (3 days each person) and ... snacking tripled by 2004, etc. Another scourge exported, as the beat goes On. Globesity
But I digress. I come to believe that we Live in the dis-USA of Digression, and shall curtail many delvings, next: as their conclusions are unremittingly hope-stifling. TMI has Won over consciousness on any level. The frozen Pitot-tube has sent a STOP command to the main CPU. (Default to muscle-memory.)
New My position won't surprise anyone.
Strobe Talbott has long advocated expanding NATO. ( In 1995, he handwaved about how surrounding the former Soviet Union with NATO countries would lead to a higher likelihood of peaceful co-existence here, for example: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/1995/aug/10/why-nato-should-grow/ ). My own view of Talbott is that he wants the entire world to "be just like us." That is, within our sphere of influence as opposed to Russia's. During the Soviet era, a counter-balance to the Warsaw Pact was arguably necessary. I say "arguably" for the simple reason that there are dead Americans buried in Russian soil who were killed in a failed attempt to overthrow the Soviet government while there are no Russians (or Soviets) likewise buried in US soil. Similarly, when early nuclear weapons could reach Moscow from Turkey with no fear of retaliation, the Soviet Union attempted to locate nuclear weapons in this hemisphere as a deterrent. In response to that attempt at balance, the US threatened the world with nuclear annihilation. And the masses of the US cheered. I've always believed that if one took a fair look at US-Soviet relations and the policies of each nation, one would be compelled to conclude that US policies and actions were uniformly aggressive in nature and Soviet actions and policies were uniformly defensive in nature.

I can't be sure about this, but giving Talbott the benefit of doubt, perhaps he was motivated for NATO expansion because he genuinely felt that if everyone were in the same boat, no one would start drilling into the hull. I'm disinclined to give him that much doubt, though, for the simple reason that by definition, NATO would be aligned against the former Soviet Union. In this regard Talbott is a lot like Jack Kennedy - it's okay for us to have a gun pointed at your head, but you cannot have one pointed at us. This, despite the fact that we remain the only nation capable of pulling that particular trigger that has done so - TWICE.

I suspect there are some that would want an all out war with Russia and that the Ukraine is as good a place as any to start that war. But I think what's really desired here is a big enough enemy to re-kick our war industry. I think the real goal is to have Ukraine in NATO and I think that has been the goal (driven in no small measure by Talbott and his ilk) all along. I also understand something about Russia's somewhat historically validated paranoia concerning the West. NATO expansion into Ukraine in the face of that, is a very, very dangerous proposition that Talbott et al. either dismiss or don't fully understand.

Back when the Soviet Union fell apart, a good friend of mine asked me, "Now that the Soviet Union is no more, what is the greatest threat to the United States?" He said "fundamentalist Islam" and I said, "World Peace." We need a bad guy. Our economy doesn't work when we don't have one.
New Along those lines, ...
National Security Archive:

New revelations about the missile crisis have also undermined its image as a paradigm of successful crisis management. For years Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.'s description of President Kennedy's decision-making as "so brilliantly controlled, so matchlessly calibrated" reflected a mythology that the successful outcome of the missile crisis derived from Kennedy's masterful management of both the making and implementation of U.S. policy.(7) In reality, as Robert McNamara notes, the decision-making process in Washington, as well as in Moscow and Havana, was characterized by "misinformation, miscalculation, and misjudgment." Despite management efforts, according to Theodore Sorensen, the crisis "came close to spinning out of control before it was ended."(8)

For example, during the crisis, U.S. officials mistook a number of Soviet political and military actions as deliberate "signals" from the Kremlin when, in fact, they had not been cleared by Khrushchev. Unbeknownst to the White House, officials of the CIA and the U.S. military undertook, in the midst of tense negotiations, a number of threatening operations — among them the dispatch of covert sabotage teams into Cuba —which were similarly misunderstood by the Soviets and Cubans. There were also dangerous accidents, such as the straying of a U.S. aircraft into Soviet airspace at the height of the crisis. This combination of unauthorized military and covert actions, misinterpreted military and political signals, and significant failures in intelligence — all of which threatened to set a war in motion — not only challenges earlier depictions of this event as a model of a "controlled crisis" but calls into question the fundamental assumption that severe international crises can, in fact, be "managed" at all.

The new documentation, combined with recent testimony by Soviet and Cuban officials, also sheds light on what is perhaps the most important puzzle of the missile crisis, namely, what motivated the Soviets to deploy nuclear weapons in Cuba. The declassified record shows that U.S. officials were well aware that their deployment of Jupiter missiles near Soviet borders in Turkey and Italy in 1959 would be deeply resented by Soviet officials; even President Eisenhower noted that it would be a "provocative" step analogous to the deployment of Soviet missiles in "Mexico or Cuba.(9) A declassified military history of the Jupiter system reveals that the rockets became operational in April 1962 — an event that may have contributed to Khrushchev's proposal, made the very same month, to deploy similar weapons in Cuba.(10)

In addition, the documents lend credence to Khrushchev's claim that a primary Soviet motivation was the defense of Cuba against a U.S. invasion. For years, U.S. analysts have dismissed this as a face-saving, after-the-fact rationale that enabled the Soviets to declare victory in the confrontation rather than admit defeat. But formerly top-secret documents, released to the National Security Archive in January 1989, provide a detailed description of a 1962 U.S. covert action program known as OPERATION MONGOOSE, which combined sabotage, infiltration, and psychological warfare activities with military exercises and contingency operations for a possible invasion to overthrow the Castro government. Guidelines for OPERATION MONGOOSE, tacitly approved by President Kennedy in March 1962, noted that the "final success" of the program would "require decisive U.S. military intervention." Although Kennedy never formally authorized an invasion, former administration officials acknowledge that Cuban intelligence had infiltrated the CIA's exile groups and learned of plans for a potential invasion — which, ironically, was scheduled for October 1962.

If the new documents illuminate how the crisis began, they also clarify how it ended. For years, conservative analysts have alleged that, in return for the Soviet withdrawal of the missiles, Kennedy made a secret deal with Khrushchev not to invade Cuba. The recently declassified Kennedy-Khrushchev correspondence published here, reveals that no such U.S. commitment was made. Khrushchev repeatedly urged Kennedy to "formalize through the U.N." a noninvasion pledge to end the crisis. The letters show Kennedy repeatedly refused, citing the Soviets' inability to meet U.S. inspection and verification demands. Highly classified State Department memoranda, released in April 1992 to the National Security Archive, reveal the Kennedy administration's internal arguments against finalizing an agreement on the crisis: a settlement would limit the United States in its ongoing efforts to overthrow Fidel Castro. In the end, U.S. officials preferred free rein to intervene in Cuba over an international accord that would settle the Cuban missile crisis.


It was a complicated crisis that was a long-time a building. We got lucky.

Dunno that I'd go along with the "uniformly defensive" nature of the Soviets, though. People in Hungary and lots of other places would, no doubt, disagree.

Cheers,
Scott.
New And Poland. But my scope was just US and USSR.
You *could* argue that the reason for that Soviet aggression in Eastern Europe was to create a buffer between them and Western Europe. Just as their invasion of Afghanistan was intended to create a buffer between them and Iran's Islamic revolution.
New You snagged the core in that report..
..challenges earlier depictions of this event as a model of a "controlled crisis" but calls into question the fundamental assumption that severe international crises can, in fact, be "managed" at all.
and some of the reasons why Humans cannot be expected to do much better, even after seeing [just a few 'new' details ... it took half a century to become even 'searchable'] .. clearly the new modifier for anything we call, 'knowledge'.)

This despite A. E.'s early-on observations, Oppie's and others': Now it's seventy years since Alamogordo, when those earliest STOP! and Think!! utterances went Zooom: and the world got 44 years of Duck & Cover terrorizing of selves and all their children, as Humans contrived the (mere techno details) for a Stand-off, for which many congratulate selves. [lots of Luck happened.] Yet the projected 'Arms Race' phrase was in the earliest pleas: only American hubris/plus faith in absolute secrecy (!) overruled that distilled-Wisdom.

And we recently spent some giga-Bucks to ensure that Our arsenal shall remain fully-capable of perpetual-MAD (clearly presuming: ICBM-grade sub-Madness WIll be continued too) ... as we now contend with the curator of the USSR's equivalent arsenal, doubtless also to become Modernized: (or Putin isn't the Putin we think we've psychoanalyzed.) Sure seems a QED on that opening quip: our psycho- social- analytical skills are no better than in 1914, 1933-39 and on through the Domino Theory and Grenada and (all the other tiny Countries we picked-off via the massive techno of the US Empire.)

Oh.. and.. "I vas dere!, Charlie": we see means ever less and less ... the above declassifications reconfirm that all War Plans become useless after opening shots: and we revert to that Luck thing. And yes, Schlesinger's Thousand Days was a romantic paean, inescapable? after any martyrdom.

Good to know ... when shortly we hear of the next War On (Drugs? nope: FAIL) ... on (Terror? nope: FAIL while being also an oxymoronic concept to begin with.) Defective species, even after hearing, "The only way to win is by not playing at all": ... from a B-Movie!

Luck to us all..
Nobody with Power, mere $$$-greedheads or via Political titles, seems capable of acting on the knowledge, perhaps because of widespread, oft medieval superstitions amidst all the armed masses?
So: Luck IS all we have left, when that collective Learning-curve resembles a flat-line.
     (MM?) 'Is Ukraine a Proxy Western-Russia War? U.S. Weighs Arming Kiev as Violence Soars' - (Ashton) - (4)
         My position won't surprise anyone. - (mmoffitt) - (3)
             Along those lines, ... - (Another Scott) - (2)
                 And Poland. But my scope was just US and USSR. - (mmoffitt)
                 You snagged the core in that report.. - (Ashton)

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