So what did you think of the New Yorker cover in 2008?

Post #398,054 by static 1/13/15 8:18:45 PM Reply	So what did you think of the New Yorker cover in 2008? http://www.vox.com/2015/1/12/7518349/charlie-hebdo-racist/in/7271890 French satire is a complex and above all local thing. I'm not surprised I didn't grasp it until now. You would have trouble understanding the political cartoons in the Sydney Morning Herald, for instance, unless you were familiar with Australian politics. Wade. Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/
Post #398,060 by mmoffitt 1/14/15 9:34:43 AM 1/14/15 9:50:50 AM Reply	I understand that. And the article contains BS. But, to me, it is entirely irrelevant if I understand the satire in any Charlie Hebdo cartoon or article. What is relevant is that the Islamists think they have special rights to dictate to everyone what can and cannot be said or drawn. You either stand up to that kind of tyranny or you live under it. Edit: "The elevation of such images to a point of high principle will increase the burdens on those minority groups," as Matt put it. "European Muslims find themselves crushed between the actions of a tiny group of killers and the necessary response of the majority society. Problems will increase for an already put-upon group of people." Oh, the poor fricking babies! All they have to do to not be "put-upon" is quit Islam. That is, quit being associated with a lunatic, murderous cult. Edited by mmoffitt Jan. 14, 2015, 09:50:50 AM EST Expand All History
Post #398,063 by boxley 1/14/15 11:01:47 AM Reply	so the first ammendment is tango uniform? Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #398,065 by mmoffitt 1/14/15 12:39:20 PM Reply	You mean it isn't? Where's the Hebdo drawing on CNN/NY Times/etc. sic nauseum.
Post #398,095 by Ashton 1/15/15 3:27:14 AM Reply	Thanks.. principled and illuminating. As to Charlie Hebdo principles beneath oft-mixed metaphors, I liked their essay re a Nov. 11 2011 cover, here. It's easy to adopt simplistic polarities about their work (or doubt even? the above POV of their perceived sentiments, ) 'Throwing out baby with the bathwater', comes to mind. Onion layers.. but nothing like transparent as The Onion. The charge of siding with the bullies, (those piling-on these newly arrived folk with some at-odds mores that jar French culture) seems valid, as does the necessity of Hebdo Opposites meantt. (This addresses all us un-acculturated. The Positive is advanced in the 11/'11 essay. Put it all together and por moi, two aspects result: Yes, Charlie Hedbo's style is confounding even to many countrymen and Francophiles, thus "flawed". How normal. Yes also, a prime Principle withstands all these nuances, especially by '15. Islam's extreme mores contain more contain duties with the force of Commands to the faithful: enforced by the many Capital-punishments allegedly via their Prophet: for blasphemy ... (right unto--even trying to Leave Islam!) That Principle and its philosophy of ~democratic, secular Rule requires that Speech is not to be curtailed except in those obvious matters like yelling Fire! Hurt feelings or ridicule are prices for that freedom. The more impoverished the Muslim, the harder it seems for such to Grok this POV and then to See: that Islamics may believe what they like (or will bear) but they can't coexist, out-numbered, out-gunned on the same planet. If the hugely powerful Leaders prove unable to curb-the-Dogma of the young, broke, restless (and intentionally-ignorant) of these un-tenable tenets? the rest of the planet won't tolerate perpetual religio-assassinations, Period, IMO. Irresistible Forces/Immovable Objects? (Hardly; plain old material physics does it, as always.) Seems just another day in the ongoing saga: Just How many One-True-Gods does it Take? to screw-up daily liff for Everyone? (One seems too-many.) So. Much. ƒeare inculcated-from-birth.. in most-all these Corporate religions. And militancy: Onward Christian Soldiers, Marching as to War ... meet Ahmed: he'll see that and Raise You. No wonder the species is sociopathic unto psychopathic: we gots The Nukes to daily remind us that we are deranged-at-core. Does anyone imagine that next, 'we' shall all handle this impasse with charity, wisdom and panache? (Line up here: in this 1950s telephone booth.) And bring your Dark theological-Energy with you.

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