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Post #393,340 by mmoffitt 8/18/14 2:13:45 PM Reply	Did you read your link? After opposition factions and defectors from Yanukovych's Party of Regions cobbled together a parliamentary quorum in the Verkhovna Rada, the national legislature voted on 22 February to remove Viktor Yanukovich from his post on the grounds that he was unable to fulfill his duties,[28] although the legislative removal lacked the required votes according to the constitution in effect at the time,...The revolution against Yanukovich triggered a political crisis in Crimea, which started as demonstrations against new central authorities... If they are the "same thing" then all of the trouble can be laid at feet of the forces responsible for the coup d'etat with which Putin and Russia had absolutely nothing to do. We are backing the wrong horse (AGAIN!) and just like the Mujahideen, purely out of Russo-phobia.
Post #393,341 by Another Scott 8/18/14 2:51:24 PM Reply	My link? (sigh) Your link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation The main article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ukrainian_revolution#Removal_of_Yanukovych Removal of Yanukovych[edit] On 21 February President Yanukovych and the Parliament declared 22 and 23 February to be new days of mourning "Due to the loss of human life as a result of mass disturbances".[248] In Parliament, Speaker Volodymyr Rybak submitted his resignation, citing alleged illness.[249] Yanukovych's whereabouts were unknown despite media reports he had flown to Kharkiv. Oleksandr Turchynov stated that in fact most of the ministers had disappeared as well as Interior Minister Vitaly Zakharchenko (who is reported to have fled to Belarus[250]) and President Viktor Yanukovych, "The only one legitimate body left is the Verkhovna Rada – so we are here to vote today. The major tasks for today are: to vote for the new speaker, prime minister and interior minister."[209] In the Verkhovna Rada, deputies voted 328:0 (of the 447 deputies)[251] to set the Presidential election date to 25 May.[60][252] The action did not follow the impeachment process as specified by the Constitution of Ukraine (which would have involved formally charging the president with a crime, a review of the charge by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine, and a three-fourths majority vote – i.e. at least 338 votes in favor – by the Rada); instead, the Verkhovna Rada declared that Yanukovych "withdrew from his duties in an unconstitutional manner" and cited "circumstances of extreme urgency" as the reason for early elections.[253] Oleksandr Turchynov was then voted by parliament Chairman of the Ukrainian Parliament and acting President and Prime Minister of Ukraine.[254][255][256] Turchynov claimed Viktor Yanukovych had agreed to resign as president, but after consulting with advisers, he disavowed the decision and even a pre-recorded resignation statement.[209] Yanukovych said he would not resign or leave the country, and called decisions by parliament "illegal" and that "The events witnessed by our country and the whole world are an example of a coup d'état," comparing it to the rise of the Nazis to power in Germany in the 1930s.[257] The Communist Party office in Kiev was looted by unknown masked men armed with batons.[258] There was a lot of confusion as to what was going on in Ukraine in February. Most constitutions don't have a list of procedures listed for when a president flees the country... Yanukovich took the actions he did WRT the EU association agreement as a direct result of pressure from Putin - Mr Yanukovych, who attended an EU summit in Lithuania on Friday cited pressure from Russia for his decision. . Putin has had his fingers in Ukraine's internal affairs for a long time. Wake up, please. :-) FWIW. Cheers, Scott.
Post #393,345 by mmoffitt 8/18/14 3:23:43 PM Reply	Eh, wiki's not authoritative anyway. ;0) I'm not Gerald Ford. I won't say the Ukraine is free from Russian influence. But the fact remains that had not the Neo-Nazis created a violent atmosphere in Kiev, events should have, could have and would have turned out much differently. And let's be clear, the West was pushing for Ukraine to enter NATO. We have consistently broken our promises to Russia and brought NATO all the way to her borders. We are the aggressors and have always been. Nukes in Turkey pointed at Moscow are okay but retaliatory nukes in Cuba? WE MUST LAUNCH ON THE GODLESS COMMUNISTS IMMEDIATELY! I've little doubt that the West will get their way - we always do. Putin, like Kruschev before him, is a vastly superior world citizen than Merkel, Cameron or Obama. For the sake of world peace, Kruschev was willing to leave Moscow open to a nuclear attack to which he could not respond. Similarly, for the sake of world peace, Putin will have to lose the Ukraine and endure being surrounded by hostile forces. That's the way we roll in the West. That may well bring an end to the cult of personality surrounding Putin. Russians don't like having Nazis or their sympathizers on their western border - that didn't turn out too well for them before. And if Putin's loss of the Ukraine costs him all his power at home, then what? This is a dangerous game we're playing.
Post #393,347 by a6l6e6x 8/18/14 3:52:59 PM Reply	Here's q 100 reasons why you're wrong. Top 100 lies about Ukraine. To attract reluctant “volunteers” into the trap of a misguided war machine, Russia wages twisted information war through its mainstream media, useful fools in the West and a legion of paid trolls. So are you a useful fool or paid troll? :) Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov
Post #393,355 by Another Scott 8/18/14 5:34:02 PM Reply	Heh. You'd think Putin's trolls would know about Image Search by now. :-)
Post #393,375 by mmoffitt 8/19/14 8:01:03 AM Reply	Well, if even you have doubts ... I should be getting paid! :0)
Post #393,377 by Another Scott 8/19/14 8:22:10 AM Reply	:-)
Post #393,402 by a6l6e6x 8/19/14 4:41:08 PM Reply	And I never took you to be a fool! :) But, I don't think it's for money either. It's for this medal "For Impeccable Service" (Медаль «За безупречную службу»): Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov
Post #393,419 by Ashton 8/19/14 8:23:59 PM Reply	Nice colors; look good on my USAF Mess-dress white jacket (used only as costume, of course.) I'd troll for one of those :-) (What's your Price? :-0
Post #393,422 by Another Scott 8/19/14 8:43:20 PM Reply	Set of 3 for $20. eBay. Zooks! (It's amazing what one can find there.) Cheers, Scott.
Post #393,424 by Ashton 8/19/14 9:39:55 PM Reply	You are Too Much! Wanna split a trio? ;^> I rarely get to don that costume avec my leather 12/6 In This Style topper, here in bucolia. But it worked a treat with Seaborg at the ad hoc celebration of first heavy-ions, so adorned (3 other medals) Know it worked; his response: Yes, and you're Crazy, right? (Got the pic, too.) My SO, budding marine biologist, was giddified to greet the Great One--bonus. Lots of bubbly flowed. (Who says? that science-types ain't got no cuth; don't know how to Par-teee..)
Post #393,425 by Another Scott 8/19/14 9:52:36 PM Reply	:-D
Post #393,437 by mmoffitt 8/20/14 8:08:04 AM Reply	Curses. You've got me figured! :0)

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