More autonomy is one thing, annexation is totally another.

Because autonomy is what they voted for.

Organizers in the main region holding the makeshift vote on Sunday said nearly 90 percent had voted in favor.

Well before polls closed, one separatist leader said the region would form its own state bodies and military after the referendum, formalizing a split that began with the armed takeover of state buildings in a dozen eastern towns last month.

Another said the vote simply showed that the East wanted to decide its own fate, whether in Ukraine, on its own, or as part of Russia.

"Eighty-nine percent, that's it," the head of the separatist electoral commission in Donetsk, Roman Lyagin, said by telephone when asked for the result of a vote that the pro-Western Ukrainian government in Kiev has condemned as illegal.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/11/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSBREA400LI20140511

It's also worth noting that Putin tried to get them to postpone that vote.

MOSCOW (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin has urged that a planned May 11 referendum on autonomy in southeast Ukraine be postponed.

In a Wednesday meeting with Swiss president Didier Burkhalter, Putin also called on Ukraine's military to halt all operations against pro-Russia activists who have seized government buildings and police stations across at least a dozen towns in eastern Ukraine.

The Russian leader described Ukraine's upcoming presidential election — slated for May 25 — as a move "in the right direction,"

http://news.yahoo.com/putin-postpone-east-ukraine-vote-autonomy-140218512.html

So, who is the real enemy of self rule?

Post #392,841 by a6l6e6x 8/5/14 9:43:02 PM Reply	More autonomy is one thing, annexation is totally another. Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov
Post #392,854 by mmoffitt 8/6/14 9:23:51 AM Reply	So, you're supporting the "separatists"? Because autonomy is what they voted for. Organizers in the main region holding the makeshift vote on Sunday said nearly 90 percent had voted in favor. Well before polls closed, one separatist leader said the region would form its own state bodies and military after the referendum, formalizing a split that began with the armed takeover of state buildings in a dozen eastern towns last month. Another said the vote simply showed that the East wanted to decide its own fate, whether in Ukraine, on its own, or as part of Russia. "Eighty-nine percent, that's it," the head of the separatist electoral commission in Donetsk, Roman Lyagin, said by telephone when asked for the result of a vote that the pro-Western Ukrainian government in Kiev has condemned as illegal. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/11/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSBREA400LI20140511 It's also worth noting that Putin tried to get them to postpone that vote. MOSCOW (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin has urged that a planned May 11 referendum on autonomy in southeast Ukraine be postponed. In a Wednesday meeting with Swiss president Didier Burkhalter, Putin also called on Ukraine's military to halt all operations against pro-Russia activists who have seized government buildings and police stations across at least a dozen towns in eastern Ukraine. The Russian leader described Ukraine's upcoming presidential election — slated for May 25 — as a move "in the right direction," http://news.yahoo.com/putin-postpone-east-ukraine-vote-autonomy-140218512.html So, who is the real enemy of self rule?
Post #392,859 by a6l6e6x 8/6/14 10:40:24 AM Reply	No. Those votes, or the counting of them, were fraudulent. In any case, it was part of the same plan used to annex Crimea. The Hitler plan. Putin played the same game with Georgia in the past decade. Might makes right. The reason for suggesting more autonomy for Siberia is in part to show the hypocrisy of the Russian position. But, autocratic control down to the lowest level of government is undemocratic. Putin gets to appoint regional governors? The states in the US have domains under their control. Canada's provinces even more so. Getting the right balance between state and federal power has been tricky. Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov
Post #392,864 by mmoffitt 8/6/14 11:05:42 AM Reply	But all state laws are subordinate to the Federal. That was the result of the War of Northern Aggression. ;0)
Post #392,865 by a6l6e6x 8/6/14 11:29:15 AM Reply	Well, there is the Constitution and Bill of Rights thing. To protect the citizen from the state. And, for now, you can smoke weed in Colorado! Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov
Post #392,870 by mmoffitt 8/6/14 12:42:57 PM Reply	Our Bill of Rights? How quaint. ;0)
Post #392,862 by malraux 8/6/14 10:56:09 AM Reply	Putin publicly tried to get them to postpone. People like that thrive on credulity. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.

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