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New The first casualty of war is truth.
My opinion is that the Russian separatists in Eastern Ukraine shot down MH17 in much the same way KAL007 was shot down by the USSR. In both cases, again imo, the commercial airliners were mistaken for military transports. We know from Soviet communications it was certainly the case with KAL007 and I believe ultimately we will discover proof that the Russian separatists made the same mistake with MH17.

That said, I'm a little troubled by the reporting on this. Here all the reporting suggests that investigators could not reach the wreck site exclusively because of the Russian separatists. Then, there's this (Emphasis Mine.):
Kiev, Ukraine (CNN) -- International monitors from the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe reached the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crash site on Thursday for the first time in almost a week, the OSCE mission said.

The OSCE team was accompanied by four Dutch and Australian experts, the mission said via Twitter. It used a new route to access the site.

Fighting between the Ukrainian military and pro-Russia rebels near the crash site has repeatedly prevented international monitors and investigators from reaching the huge debris field, where human remains and victims' belongings still lie scattered.

Having finally reached the crash site, the OSCE team observed a moment's silence to mark two weeks to the day since the plane plummeted to Earth near the Russian border in rural eastern Ukraine, killing all 298 people aboard.

Their arrival at the scene came as Ukraine's military announced a one-day cease-fire Thursday to allow international experts full access.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/31/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Okay, so they can't get there until Ukraine stops shooting? But we aren't to lay any of the blame for the delay at the feet of the Ukrainian government?
New Well if the separatists would stop making Ukraine shoot at them ...
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Drew
New The separatista consist of and/or are lead by Russian MI and Special Forces.
What part of that don't you understand?

Fareed Zakaria had a good explanation of in the first segment of his July 20th, 2014 GPS program.

Suppose Mexico sent in special forces and military intelligence folks, tanks, AA missiles etc. into Texas to reunite Mexican speaking borderlands of Texas with Mexico. It's a fricken invasion, masked as an insurrection. Oh, and they'll claim it's the Republic of Texas that wants to be independent.
Alex

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."”

-- Isaac Asimov
New Sorry, should have used the sign
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Drew
New Given my frame of mind, that would have helped . :)
Alex

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."”

-- Isaac Asimov
New Um.
It looks like Ukraine believes they need to implement a cease-fire to grant access. From what I heard, they're the only ones who have voiced this.

Wade.
New But, um...
As The Nation has warned repeatedly, the unthinkable may now be rapidly unfolding in Ukraine: not just the new Cold War already under way but an actual war between US-led NATO and Russia. The epicenter is Ukraine’s eastern territory, known as the Donbass, a large industrial region heavily populated by Russian-speaking Ukrainian citizens and closely tied to its giant neighbor by decades of economic, political, cultural and family relations.

The shoot-down of Malaysian jetliner MH17 on July 17 should have compelled the US-backed government in Kiev to declare a prolonged cease-fire in its land and air attacks on nearby cities in order to honor the 298 victims, give international investigators safe access to the crash site, and begin peace talks. Instead, Kiev, with Washington’s backing, immediately intensified its attacks on those residential areas, vowing to “liberate” them from pro-Russian “terrorists,” as it brands resisters in eastern Ukraine, killing more innocent people. In response, Moscow is reportedly preparing to send heavy weapons to the “self-defenders” of the Donbass.

Now, according to a story in The New York Times of July 27, the White House may give Kiev sensitive intelligence information enabling it to pinpoint and destroy such Russian equipment, thereby, the Times article also suggests, risking “escalation with Russia.” To promote this major escalation, the Obama administration is alleging, without firm evidence, that Russia is already “firing artillery from its territory into Ukraine.” Virtually unreported, however, is repeated Ukrainian shelling of Russia’s own territory, which killed a resident on July 13.

In fact, Kiev has been Washington’s military proxy against Russia and its “compatriots” in eastern Ukraine for months. Since the political crisis began, Secretary of State John Kerry, CIA Director John Brennan and Vice President Joseph Biden (twice) have been in Kiev, followed by “senior US defense officials,” American military equipment and financial aid. Still more, a top US Defense Department official informed a Senate committee that the department’s “advisers” are now “embedded” in the Ukrainian defense ministry.

Indeed, Kiev cannot wage this war on its own citizens—a UN spokesperson says nearly 5,000 civilians have been killed or wounded, which may constitute war crimes—without the Obama administration’s political, economic and military support. Having also created hundreds of thousands of fleeing refugees, Ukraine is bankrupt, its industrial infrastructure damaged, and it is in political disarray, using ultranationalist militias and conscripting men up to 60 years of age.

All of this is unfolding in the context of Washington’s misleading narrative, amplified by the mainstream media, that the Ukrainian crisis has been caused entirely by Russian President Vladimir Putin’s “aggression.” In reality, his role has been mostly reactive...

http://www.thenation.com/article/180825/why-washington-risking-war-russia
     The first casualty of war is truth. - (mmoffitt) - (7)
         Well if the separatists would stop making Ukraine shoot at them ... -NT - (drook) - (3)
             The separatista consist of and/or are lead by Russian MI and Special Forces. - (a6l6e6x) - (2)
                 Sorry, should have used the sign -NT - (drook) - (1)
                     Given my frame of mind, that would have helped . :) -NT - (a6l6e6x)
         Um. - (static) - (2)
             But, um... - (mmoffitt)
             And then there's this, too. - (mmoffitt)

Something smells and it doesnt smell like curry.
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