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Post #384,613
by pwhysall
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12/25/13 2:43:50 AM
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New Re: FWIW re: "facing justice"
The same Congress that Clapper quite happily lied to?

I default to a "their lips are moving, therefore at best there's something they're not telling me, but most probably they're outright lying" position.

I suspect that the reality is that they're as plausibly independent as they need to be in order to be visibly plausibly independent.

Behold! Oversight!

(Merry Xmas, btw!)
Post #384,615
by Another Scott
12/25/13 11:59:41 AM
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New Devil's advocate.
http://www.washingto...99ff459_blog.html

SEN. RON WYDEN (D-Ore.): “This is for you, Director Clapper, again on the surveillance front. And I hope we can do this in just a yes or no answer because I know Senator Feinstein wants to move on. Last summer, the NSA director was at a conference, and he was asked a question about the NSA surveillance of Americans. He replied, and I quote here, ‘The story that we have millions or hundreds of millions of dossiers on people is completely false.’

“The reason I’m asking the question is, having served on the committee now for a dozen years, I don’t really know what a dossier is in this context. So what I wanted to see is if you could give me a yes or no answer to the question, does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?”

Director of National Intelligence JAMES CLAPPER: “No, sir.”

SEN. WYDEN: “It does not?”

DIR. CLAPPER: “Not wittingly. There are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect, but not wittingly.”

SEN. WYDEN: “Thank you. I’ll have additional questions to give you in writing on that point, but I thank you for the answer.”

— exchange during a hearing of the Senate Intelligence Committee, March 12, 2013


Clapper was between a rock and a hard place. Wyden said he wanted a yes or no answer. It was an open session. There was no way for him to accurately describe what the NSA on this front does without either: 1) giving up classified information about "sources and methods" in an open session, or 2) giving a misleading answer.

Wyden knew the best way to get a complete, straight answer from Clapper about the details.

Now maybe Clapper has been misleading the committee about what the NSA has been doing. If that's the case, then by all means go after him (and the NSA). But I don't think that this was the way to do it.

And if this is the best example of Clapper "lying to Congress" then he's been a very good boy. Everyone testifying to Congress shades the truth to their best advantage - it's human and institutional nature. That's why Congress should get testimony from a variety of viewpoints...

FWIW.

Cheers,
Scott.
     more on flogging Snowden's dead horse - (boxley) - (24) - Dec. 24, 2013, 11:53:55 AM EST
         Old news. - (Another Scott) - (22) - Dec. 24, 2013, 12:27:11 PM EST
             Baby-with-bathwater; out-throw? - (Ashton) - (16) - Dec. 24, 2013, 02:42:06 PM EST
                 Don't let me get to you. - (Another Scott) - (15) - Dec. 24, 2013, 05:47:46 PM EST
                     Nevertheless we are puzzled - (rcareaga) - (14) - Dec. 24, 2013, 07:13:14 PM EST
                         Re: Nevertheless we are puzzled - (Another Scott) - Dec. 24, 2013, 07:37:33 PM EST
                         FWIW re: "facing justice" - (drook) - (10) - Dec. 24, 2013, 11:54:04 PM EST
                             Re: FWIW re: "facing justice" - (Another Scott) - (9) - Dec. 25, 2013, 12:26:06 AM EST
                                 Re: FWIW re: "facing justice" - (pwhysall) - (3) - Dec. 25, 2013, 12:52:51 AM EST
                                     Re: FWIW re: "facing justice" - (Another Scott) - (2) - Dec. 25, 2013, 01:03:07 AM EST
                                         Re: FWIW re: "facing justice" - (pwhysall) - (1) - Dec. 25, 2013, 02:43:50 AM EST
                                             Devil's advocate. - (Another Scott) - Dec. 25, 2013, 11:59:41 AM EST
                                 See da box on their charter - (drook) - (3) - Dec. 25, 2013, 12:23:48 PM EST
                                     If they're within their charter, then it's not whistleblowin - (Another Scott) - (2) - Dec. 25, 2013, 01:28:04 PM EST
                                         I very much doubt his ability - (jake123) - (1) - Dec. 25, 2013, 04:09:49 PM EST
                                             Heh.. most astute, that last! (wheels-within-wheels churn..) -NT - (Ashton) - Dec. 25, 2013, 05:02:19 PM EST
                                 Re: FWIW re: "facing justice" - (Ashton) - Dec. 25, 2013, 04:59:14 PM EST
                         what is that 1/2 crap? -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Dec. 25, 2013, 10:31:14 PM EST
                             rofl. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - Dec. 25, 2013, 10:34:56 PM EST
             On salary - (S1mon_Jester) - (4) - Dec. 27, 2013, 07:45:46 AM EST
                 It's part of the piece for me. - (Another Scott) - (3) - Dec. 27, 2013, 11:07:55 AM EST
                     Personally, I don't care.. if he fails to live up to your - (Ashton) - (1) - Dec. 27, 2013, 05:32:00 PM EST
                         Well said. Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott) - Dec. 27, 2013, 06:38:40 PM EST
                     Okay...I missed that article - (S1mon_Jester) - Dec. 28, 2013, 11:13:41 AM EST
         WaPo interview w/Snowden 12/23/13 - (rcareaga) - Dec. 25, 2013, 01:17:55 PM EST

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