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New Lumia 1020 ordered.
On 3, not EE. I've had enough of Everything Everywhere and their Not Much Anywhere network.

It's insane that EE do 4G tariffs that don't have unlimited data. It's even more insane that you have to spend the thick end of fifty quid a month to get 5GB.

OTOH, 3 do unlimited data with more minutes than I'll ever use for 30-odd sheets.

Looking forward to DAT CAMERA. No, Sony, yours isn't as good. Not yours either, Apple. Nuh uh, Samsung.
New Who cares about 41 MP?
All I see is new shiny.

That ain't for me. To spendy.
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greg@gregfolkert.net
"No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
New I do.
That's why I bought it.

Well, I don't care about 41MP per se.

I care about a big sensor, a good lens, good low-light performance, and the technology that supersamples those 41MP down into 5MP pictures of exceptional quality.

But that's what's cool about reality; we all like and value different things.
New Re: Lumia 1020 ordered.
Nice phone But the apps are lacking
Plus you need a windows PC
but nice phone have fun with it
"Pictures are better then words because some words are big and hard to understand"
Peter Griffin (Family Guy)
New Re: Lumia 1020 ordered.
I've not missed any apps - but then I've never been particularly "app-y".

And I've got a Windows PC, so I'm not really sure what your point is.

I could get a phone with more apps like an SGS4 or an IP5S, but then they'd have worse cameras and more unpleasant operating systems for me to use, so it'd be a worse phone, and what would be the point of that?
New But you're can't join the collective that way!
New I has it.
Wottafone.

The camera is spectacular. The screen is great; Nokia have nailed down this "pureblack" thing and produced an AMOLED screen that is vivid and has accurate colour. Fit and finish on the phone is even better than the 920, which is going some.

As an early ordererer, I got a bonus pack including a wireless charging plate, the necessary cover for the phone to use that, the camera grip cover (which gives you a nicer shutter release button and a honking big battery) and a tripod. That's £140-ish of goodies, right there.

I also got a £50 credit with Mazuma Mobile (a phone recycling company), so when I send in my old phones, I'll get a few extra quid.

The tariff is £39/mo, and I get 500 minutes, 5000 texts and, most importantly, unlimited data including tethering. Well hello there, Xbox Music. Come and sit next to me, Netflix.
New we have an unlimited data plan as well
except that when you hit 2gb in the month 3g is all you get
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
New OK, I'm confused
Are you being ironic or have you abandoned language entirely?
New Neither
It's an unlimited plan, but after 2G(igabytes) it switches to 3G (vs 4G) speed.
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Drew
New Interesting.
I'm assuming for a moment that this is an LTE/4G plan, so you get your ten minutes of quick data then you're on 3G.

Given the patchy coverage of LTE, does 3G data count against your 2GB allowance?

Cuz it'd be a bit naff to burn through your paltry 2GB on 3G (easily done if you're streaming music or video) then not receive any 4G lovin', for which you are presumably paying a handsome premium (well, in the US, it seems that everyone's plans are reassuringly expensive, but it's all relative, right?).
New yes it counts, yes it sucks glad phones are tax deductable
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
New Ya think it's bad for them
you should check out my country. We take it top pocket on a monthly basis. PAYG a text is .40$. No shit.

It's fucked here.
New Nice...
On past months I have a bad month, I'll get 15,000 texts from my monitoring systems.

Cripes, that'd be $6K. Awesome.
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greg@gregfolkert.net
"No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
New Wait, what?
You pay for incoming texts?

Dude.

Uncool.
New Yep, I used to ...
Switch to unlimited data and texts a long while back... Except after 6GB it is throttled.

Also only get 2100 minutes to share 'tween 5 phone and a dongle.
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greg@gregfolkert.net
"No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
New Not any more, but ...
I used to carry a company-issued pager. All of us got notifications whenever our code threw an error.

One day someone put an error in a tight loop and had notifications enabled from his dev environment. All our pagers started lighting up. It took over 30 seconds before one of us was able to open it and figure out where it was coming from. "CHRIS! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!?!?!" "Huh? Oh, is that me?"

We had to call AT&T and ask them to empty all 13 of our inboxes ... including any "real" messages caught in the crossfire. They ranged from 11k to over 17k per box. And we were supposed to be charged per message. The alternative to having them delete everything would have cost 5 figures.
--

Drew
New There are people who do here
and yeah, it's totally uncool. If you're on PAYG, you pay for incoming texts, or you pop up ten bucks a month for a texting plan.

Our regulatory agency on the telecoms here (the CRTC) used to be decent, but nowadays it's a prime example of regulatory capture in Canada: there's a revolving door between it and the executive level people in the telecoms.
New Refresh my memory
The reason texts are 140 characters is that's the amount of bandwidth available in the network ping, so it's essentially free (from a bandwidth perspective) for the telcos, right?
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Drew
New No
SMS originated as a messaging protocol to carry debugging messages from devices that were being remotely debugged to make sure they worked properly on the cell network. It's a fixed length packet, with a 140 byte payload. You can get 160 characters in it when you use a 7bit char set specifically designed to work with SMS.

The engineers working on the devices wrote a little thing into the firmwares to be able to compose messages and send them to other devices, probably so they could troll each other, and the rest, as they say, is history.
New It's what happened because the US was late to GSM. :-)
I'm being only partly cynical. But I remember reading somewhere that when the US telcos looked at providing GSM, they noticed what features customers elsewhere in the world made popular and figured out ways to charge for them.

We don't pay in AU for incoming calls or texts, either.

Wade.
Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/
New They've got great TV commercials here
every one of them make me laugh.




Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous.
- - - Mark Twain “Pudd’nhead Wilson’s New Calendar,” 1897
New Quick example or two
These are the 5MP downsampled files, but straight off the camera; no autofix, no noise reduction, no nuffink. The aperture is fixed at f/2.2.

Hawthorn berries, 1/50th:
http://sdrv.ms/1fU2tDY

A close-up flash shot, 1/30th:
http://sdrv.ms/1aCMqqn

A flash portrait, 1/35th:
http://sdrv.ms/18hhxaN

New 322 kB jpeg.
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but the blown-up berry picture is 1277 x 718 and a 322 kB jpeg.

Oh, one has to explicitly request (via RB click - view original). Wait. That's still only 1277 x 718 and 322 kB.

Where are the rest of the pixels? Did Microsoft's Sky Drive eated them without telling you?

Thanks.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Heh
You people, always with the pixels!

Personally, I think the low-res images that my phone uploaded in "economy" mode that I totally deliberately turned on and you can't prove otherwise amply illustrate the dynamic range, pleasing depth of field and low-noise characteristics of the large sensor.

But if it's pixels you want, I gottem!

Camera, 5MP:
http://sdrv.ms/1680xUQ

Camera, 34MP:
http://sdrv.ms/1fBP8CP

Niece, 5MP:
http://sdrv.ms/1680N6k

Niece, 34MP:
http://sdrv.ms/16CIgRY

Hawthorn, 5MP:
http://sdrv.ms/16CIhVX

Hawthorn, 34MP:
http://sdrv.ms/1fBPv00

BTW, I'm sharing these from my SkyDrive, not my Flickr, because I don't want to put a load of test shots in my Flickr. Not least because I use John's Background Switcher to set my desktop background using my Flickr feed.

It's the dog's bollocks, it's free, and it's here:
http://johnsadventur...ckgroundswitcher/
Expand Edited by pwhysall Sept. 30, 2013, 01:26:25 AM EDT
New Thanks.
I've only looked at the camera photo so far. It seems a little noisy around the highlight on the finger shelf where the shutter button is, but the overall sharpness is very very good.

Very impressive for a camera phone.

Is the 4+ seconds between shots annoying? Have you accidentally messed with the picture (e.g. by "zooming") and lost the "original" - http://allaboutwindo...Think_about_N.php ? Is 2.7x zoom enough?

Enjoy!

Cheers,
Scott.
New Re: Thanks.
Shot-to-shot is about 3 seconds on mine, not 4. I've got Microsoft Blink for if I need faster.

You don't need optical zoom on a camera phone, although the ability to crop-zoom is handy, for those rare occasions where Nike Zoom isn't available. The glass is far, far too small to make it worthwhile, so you're much better off using Nike Zoom instead, and taking advantage of the downsampling magic.

TBH, you're often better off using Nike Zoom on a proper camera; stick the lens in its optimum sharpness/aberration position, walk to where you need to be. I only rarely shoot my 10-22mm at anything other than 10mm, stopped down to about f/11. I fit everything else (composition, shutter speed, aperture, etc) around that. Likewise, the 24-105 tends to live at just shy of 105mm, where I use it like a moderately long prime.

ETA: Interesting article, thanks. The fact that the 5MP oversampled image is derived directly from the 41MP (34/38 depending on aspect ratio. Look, it's complicated. Shut up.) sensor data is news to me, but makes perfect sense.
Expand Edited by pwhysall Sept. 30, 2013, 07:24:02 AM EDT
New More extensive blathering about the camera on G+
https://plus.google....posts/JiC7knTn2aR
     Lumia 1020 ordered. - (pwhysall) - (27)
         Who cares about 41 MP? - (folkert) - (1)
             I do. - (pwhysall)
         Re: Lumia 1020 ordered. - (Bman) - (17)
             Re: Lumia 1020 ordered. - (pwhysall) - (16)
                 But you're can't join the collective that way! -NT - (Another Scott)
                 I has it. - (pwhysall) - (14)
                     we have an unlimited data plan as well - (boxley) - (13)
                         OK, I'm confused - (hnick) - (1)
                             Neither - (drook)
                         Interesting. - (pwhysall) - (10)
                             yes it counts, yes it sucks glad phones are tax deductable -NT - (boxley)
                             Ya think it's bad for them - (jake123) - (8)
                                 Nice... - (folkert) - (7)
                                     Wait, what? - (pwhysall) - (6)
                                         Yep, I used to ... - (folkert)
                                         Not any more, but ... - (drook)
                                         There are people who do here - (jake123) - (2)
                                             Refresh my memory - (drook) - (1)
                                                 No - (jake123)
                                         It's what happened because the US was late to GSM. :-) - (static)
         They've got great TV commercials here - (lincoln)
         Quick example or two - (pwhysall) - (5)
             322 kB jpeg. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                 Heh - (pwhysall) - (2)
                     Thanks. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                         Re: Thanks. - (pwhysall)
             More extensive blathering about the camera on G+ - (pwhysall)

LRPD Who Must Be Obeyed.
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