I note Movements afoot..

Post #378,045 by Ashton 7/14/13 6:24:08 PM Reply	I note Movements afoot.. to try to get FL to prosecute this perp: to open a civil rights case against George Zimmerman and have launched a petition to Attorney General Eric Holder. The petition says: The Department of Justice has closely monitored the State of Florida's prosecution of the case against George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin murder since it began. Today, with the acquittal of George Zimmerman, it is time for the Department of Justice to act. The most fundamental of civil rightsÂthe right to lifeÂwas violated the night George Zimmerman stalked and then took the life of Trayvon Martin. We ask that the Department of Justice file civil rights charges against Mr. Zimmerman for this egregious violation. Please address the travesties of the tragic death of Trayvon Martin by acting today. Thank you. Guess we'll find out how Crowd-Prosecuting turns out, here in 2013 and far <--away--> from sentient Times. Law above fear, justice above law, mercy above justice, love above all. [But NOT in >Our< lifetimes.. Now: one must add the Obvious.]
Post #378,047 by boxley 7/14/13 9:48:12 PM Reply	like I said in the beginning, doesnt matter the feds will get him on a civil rights beef. watched a lot of the trial, prosecution bumbled badly in so many ways there was no other conclusion to make Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #378,049 by Another Scott 7/14/13 9:53:23 PM Reply	Yup. They didn't want to prosecute GZ at all... :-(
Post #378,048 by Another Scott 7/14/13 9:52:40 PM 7/14/13 10:20:10 PM Reply	The petition link(s). https://petitions.wh...n-martin/LkGHz0VH It looks like the only recent one (quite often there seem to be multiple petitions, splitting the votes). 90,760 to go by August 13. Justice is restarting its investigation - http://www.nytimes.c...s-death.html?_r=0 [...] In a statement on Sunday, the Justice Department said that now that the state criminal trial was over, it would continue its examination of the circumstances in the shooting. ÂExperienced federal prosecutors will determine whether the evidence reveals a prosecutable violation of any of the limited federal criminal civil rights statutes within our jurisdiction,Â the statement said. The department sets a high bar for such a prosecution. Three former Justice Department officials who once worked in the departmentÂs Civil Rights Division, which is handling the inquiry, said Sunday that the federal government must clear a series of difficult legal hurdles before it could move to indict Mr. Zimmerman. ÂIt is not enough if itÂs just a fight that escalated,Â said Samuel Bagenstos, who until 2011 served as the principal deputy assistant attorney general in the division. ÂThe government has to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant acted willfully with a seriously culpable state of mindÂ to violate Mr. MartinÂs civil rights. Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. hinted at those challenges last year. ÂWe have to prove the highest standard in the law,Â Mr. Holder said at a news conference in April 2012. ÂSomething that was reckless, that was negligent, does not meet that standard. We have to show that there was specific intent to do the crime with the requisite state of mind.Â [...] ÂThere arenÂt that many of these cases, and it is not because the government is not being vigilant,Â said William R. Yeomans, a former chief of staff in the Justice DepartmentÂs Civil Rights Division. ÂIt is very difficult to establish a defendantÂs state of mind.Â Given the things reported about Zimmerman's comments in the call with police and his initial interview with the police, determining his state of mind shouldn't be too difficult in this case... Our way of choosing juries contributed to the result. It used to be (e.g. in Colonial Williamsburg times) that a jury of your peers meant a collection of people who knew you and your character. If the state were to lock you up, your guilt or innocence was judged by people who knew you. Now, anyone who keeps up with the news and is an informed citizen is (nearly) automatically excluded from juries in notorious cases. It's likely that a far higher percentage of Black potential jury members paid attention to the case than Whites or Hispanics, shrinking their odds of being picked (even if there were no other intentional bias against them). I'll be surprised if they go ahead with a civil rights case against him, but I do think this needs to be addressed in federal court. A civil case would be an alternative, but not as good as a federal civil rights case. My $0.02. [edit:] The NAACP had a petition earlier in the day - https://donate.naacp...l-rights-petition - over 450k signatures when I last checked. Cheers, Scott. Edited by Another Scott July 14, 2013, 10:20:10 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #378,109 by Ashton 7/15/13 6:41:41 PM Reply	MoveOn got DDOSed What a surprise.. In our 15-year history, MoveOn members have organized against wars and criticized presidents and CEOs. We've always spoken our truth clearly and bravely, even when it was uncomfortable or hard. And we've always known that we might be making powerful enemies. Even so, I was shocked by what happened this weekend. We just faced the biggest attack on our website in our entire history. Anonymous attackers unleashed millions of artificial requests at our servers, preventing legitimate traffic from getting through. Despite the best efforts of our ace tech team, our site was totally dark for nearly two hours. Only late last night did we finally get through all the mess that the attackers caused. We have reason to believe the attack was in response to a petition on our site, launched by the NAACP, that calls for a federal civil rights investigation into the death of Trayvon Martin. An attack like this on an online organization is the equivalent of throwing a brick through our office window. The intent is the same: Intimidate, frighten, and get us to back down. Don't like gunz nor Gun-Nutz much? May need one to protect self, oxymoronically.
Post #378,113 by boxley 7/15/13 8:06:58 PM Reply	don't they cheer when people they dont like get ddoss'd? Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep

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