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New You've got me confused with someone else.
New sorry, I thought you were shrugging it off as no big deal
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
New There's a difference between accepting Simon's argument...
and shrugging off anything that shreds the Constitution. I think he's right. I think Bush was wrong when he bypassed the FISA court (and more).

I recall arguing that the FISA court was essential in this type of process - http://forum.iwethey...iwt?postid=265382

How were peoples's constitutional rights violated in the Baltimore example?

I don't find "slippery slope" arguments persuasive.

Simon makes some very good points in his comments to readers. His blog software seems to be broken, but http://davidsimon.co...e-2/#comment-8079

David Simon says:
June 8, 2013 at 1:58 am

Yes, well. By that logic any government that attempts to assert itself in any way on behalf of any utilitarian goal can and should be resisted. After all, it will eventually misuse whatever power it is granted. Congratulations, you have made an argument for liberty without responsibility. In the end, nothing viable or worthy is achieved without a balance between those two attributes.


He's good at this. :-)

YMMV.

Cheers,
Scott
     Greenwald says the NSA is getting data on every Verizon call - (Another Scott) - (42)
         Some speculation it's related to the Boston Marathon bombing - (Another Scott) - (3)
             Is it time to go back to using semaphores? - (a6l6e6x) - (2)
                 cloned cell phones -NT - (boxley)
                 I like those with Hershey's Dark Chocolate. -NT - (mmoffitt)
         Just curious. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
             You need to ask? - (Another Scott)
         Dave Simon (of The Wire) weighs in. - (Another Scott) - (14)
             so willing to let your owners tighten the leash - (boxley) - (11)
                 You've got me confused with someone else. -NT - (Another Scott) - (2)
                     sorry, I thought you were shrugging it off as no big deal -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                         There's a difference between accepting Simon's argument... - (Another Scott)
                 Gruber: Google's comments on PRISM - (Another Scott) - (7)
                     Well, as long as they're getting the rubber stamp from FISA. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                         sadly, that's true - (lincoln)
                         The thing is, I'm not too sure just what Google - (jake123) - (4)
                             You think we have some control of our government? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                 More than you have over google - (jake123) - (2)
                                     Others, myself included have determined that we ... - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                         And will continue to get. -NT - (folkert)
             There is no sensible oversight on the horizon. - (hnick) - (1)
                 have a free quiz, presidentially agnostic - (boxley)
         29 years later... - (danreck) - (20)
             Welcome back, stranger. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                 Re: Welcome back, stranger. :-) - (danreck)
             good to see ya man! -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                 Re: good to see ya man! - (danreck)
             Hola Dan! - (Ashton) - (2)
                 Re: Hola Dan! - (danreck) - (1)
                     Re: Hola Dan! (Manfred) - (Ashton)
             This time, you're staying - (pwhysall) - (5)
                 Knock, knock - (danreck) - (4)
                     Re: Knock, knock - (pwhysall) - (3)
                         Re: Knock, knock - (danreck) - (2)
                             Re: Knock, knock - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                 Little danger of that any more - (drook)
             A real pleasure seeing you again. -NT - (jake123) - (4)
                 Re: A real pleasure seeing you again. - (danreck) - (3)
                     It's been treating me pretty well - (jake123) - (2)
                         Re: It's been treating me pretty well - (jake123) - (1)
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             AHHHH the Gold-Domed MFAC! - (folkert) - (1)
                 Re: AHHHH the Gold-Domed MFAC! - (danreck)

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