Safari.. leaking like a sieve for you, too?

Post #375,073 by Ashton 5/15/13 5:10:12 PM Reply	Safari.. leaking like a sieve for you, too? Noticing I have to nuke Safari more often: can watch it dribble down ~ 1 Mbyte/20 or 40 seconds--just after relaunch. Then, overnight (with input data line physically disconnected ... cheap insurance) Next day it might be (as now) 4-5 Mbytes/SECOND ("Free" metric on iStat). This also after: reboot. Typically, too: 'rest' Idle will be 93-98%, with periodic spikes which lower this to 60-80 %. Per S/Ware Update--yes, this IS the latest version of S. A Scott has tracked the phenom with FF and maybe Safari. Is it Moi?? ... or my Arpège ?? (For various reasons, not least of which is: the utterly-Over-the-Top er, 'granularity' of NoScript, who demand a White-list, a Black-list and numerous filigrees, a matter of dedication up with which I shall not put: I think that FF remains an evil-way-Second choice, unless Safari and its tepid relationships with --is it?-- the @#%^(#^% Webkit* kluge --has rendered itself unFixable / but Apple hasn't noticed. I just want to see stuff, not fucking analyze Each Site's Scripting unto-death. (And I don't visit random/stupid sites amidst the 100M+ candidates out there.) Any hints re. mouth-mouth on Safari yet uncovered? Thanks for any new info. I HATES it when my Apple ceases to be invisible. My sleuthing notebook is way outta date, having been spoiled by the prescience of OS X ... a downside to, 'It Just Works', I wot. PS: Way-back I noticed a correlation of such leakage to Salon's then new, over-Glossy remake, seen by nuking all open topics from them. That seemed to work, then--I sent them a note/never acknowledged--so know-not if they fixed something in screen updates/whatever. Guess I'll next have to save n-links, then add-in
Post #375,075 by boxley 5/15/13 5:26:08 PM Reply	clearing out your history regularly are you? just checking Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #375,076 by folkert 5/15/13 5:43:19 PM Reply	I don't use Safari. Except on rare occasion to check quirks. I use Chrome... and let it keep it updated. BTW, what version of OSX are you on? 10.5.X is deprecated already and 10.6.X is fast approaching that. At least update to 10.7.X if you can't get to 10.8.X. http://support.apple.com/kb/SP654 Cheers. It is ONLY $20 for 10.8.X. But you need to have at least 10.6.X on the machine (which you can still get in store or shipped to a local Apple store for $20) http://store.apple.c...-106-snow-leopard -- greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
Post #375,077 by malraux 5/15/13 5:53:44 PM Reply	Several of my machines won't even support 10.7 :-P Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #375,088 by pwhysall 5/16/13 1:31:41 AM Reply	Check you out, with your hipster retro Macs.
Post #375,090 by Ashton 5/16/13 6:00:39 AM Reply	V. 10.6.8 I upgraded once, Leopard --> Snow L. I need no better bells/whistles--I guess this means that Apple doesn't now care about Safari Version 5.1.9 (6534.59.8) at all, and only marginally more re the many still on Snow L., whatever browser. (I thought this sucker was about KISS.) Wonder what broke, and why big leaks happen now and not in '09-10-11-12. The cksum is OK or it wouldn't reload at all. Dunno enough re. Webkit even properly to despise it [now.] Thanks for tip ... wtf.. if it's as painless as last upgrade. But I must wonder how Time Machine will handle all the old material + new. And if it mangles the drive in transition.. {{ugh}} not at all clear that Lion was designed for That upgrade/automagically on my 5/08 iMac.. (Damn too, The Missing Manual costs Lots more than all those Que things you had to have for Beastware BS-fixing. *I Hate This idea :-/ of annual OS replacement; screw the (even) reasonable cost==it's all about epaulets and all I need is Adequacy. grumble/moan*
Post #375,094 by folkert 5/16/13 6:51:52 AM Reply	It is NOT annual OS replacement... Apple sorta follows the "6 month increment" policy. 10.6.8 means its at least 4 years old (more likely longer, like 5+.) 10.7.5 has been out at least 2.5 years 10.8.2 has been out at least 1.5 years So, since you have 10.6.8 on you can go straight to 10.8.X... if your machine is supported. Just because YOU don't like to move forward, doesn't mean you aren't being passed by. Quit loathing the updates... they are FAR better than anything Microsoft offers... and work much better and just effing work. The only issues with 10.7.X and 10.8.X, is they are downloads only. So, you have to purchase them through iTunes/App store. While 10.7.X is not available straight through the iTunes store, if you can only go forward to 10.7.X, you must call apple support to get a Download redeem code. Its fast and efficient. -- greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
Post #375,095 by folkert 5/16/13 6:53:15 AM Reply	and the shortness tween 10.7 and 10.8... Was mainly to implement the Walled Garden stuff. -- greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
Post #375,097 by Another Scott 5/16/13 8:07:57 AM Reply	It's not quite so simple... As I understand it, some of the later upgrades have 64-bitness that the slightly older 32-bit machines can't run. Yes, one should keep up with OS updates, but it often isn't practical on slightly older machines. (Though the definition of "slightly" is being stretched by this usage.) Or, if you need Rosetta (to run PPC apps) then later OS X versions are a no-no. Ashton - the place to check is EveryMac - http://www.everymac....c/index-imac.html Cheers, Scott. (Who is still on 10.6.8 on his Mac Mini Server 2.66 because the Server upgrades sounded scary).
Post #375,102 by folkert 5/16/13 10:07:12 AM Reply	The issue you point out... Some of the very first machines with Core2Duo processors are not "compatible" with Mountain Lion. What? They are 64-bit machines! It is an arbitrary selection from Apple what is and is not supported. If he is on 10.6.X, Rosetta compatibility is already heavily diminished. In 10.7... even more so. I've looked into this A LOT more than you realize AS. I stand by my words and recommendations. And, YES it is that simple. And Yes, you are scared for the wrong reasons about your "server". Now granted if your server was 1500 miles away (like all of my work ones), that would be different. Or even 2 hours driving time away (like my personal one) that would also be scary... You have console access. That is not a big problem. You really need to buck up, soon. -- greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
Post #375,103 by Another Scott 5/16/13 10:15:30 AM Reply	Meh. :-) No doubt you've looked at it a lot. A Snow Leopard Server to Lion Server upgrade wasn't a "1-click thing and everything was the same but only better and more shiny". http://forums.macrum...ead.php?t=1165251 I don't know if Mountain Lion even has a "Server" edition any more - I haven't looked at it. I don't have time to mess with figuring out all the details like that. So, until I have to, I'm not changing the Server OS on my my Mini Server. It's not visible on the internet. If it were, I'd be much more concerned about keeping it updated. I'll probably just buy a new Mini when/if it comes time to do a major update - it's probably faster and better all around. YMMV. Cheers, Scott.
Post #375,106 by folkert 5/16/13 10:48:00 AM Reply	The reason there no longer is... "server version" is that they eliminated the restrictions on the machines. Plus they no longer have the X-Serve... which means they had to make it possible for many machines to connect to others. And Yes, some X-Serve machines are eligible for upgrade to Mountain Lion. And Yes, things aren't going to south on you. If you wait until it has to happen... you WON'T have the time for it then either, but then you'll be forced and all the good will will be gone, because the forums will be full of angst when everyone is forced to do it. If you do it now... its still a common complaint/question in the forums, but at least nobody is super roaring pissed about the issue and posting in all caps and others aren't avoiding the question like the plague. Your choice in the matter always. But sooner is better. -- greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
Post #375,116 by Ashton 5/16/13 4:49:14 PM Reply	Gracias. EveryMac rocks. (Answered my query re memory in the Insanely-thin newer 21/5" iMacs too: http://www.everymac....ros-and-cons.html ie. no Firewire 800 [no biggie for mere backups] no bloody optical drive [PITA] Apple does not support end-user RAM upgrades on the 21.5-Inch models at all. It is neverthless possible, it is just needlessly difficult. And: The hard drive and processor both are difficult to upgrade. Costs more than previous.. ie They want even-More of our Money and.. I continue to wonder re TEMPS inside that cutesy too-tiny enclosure, esp. given what I found in my '08 Model A1224 showing for GPU temp--default. Sans smcFanCtrl, in summer this sucker would have cooked that most-fragile of the guts chips! It certainly is unfortunate that Apple decided to make it so difficult to upgrade the RAM on the 21.5-Inch model. In particular, using adhesive to attach the display to the chassis -- rather than magnets like previous Aluminum iMac models -- is a design decision that is inelegant at best. As Apple does not consider the RAM in the 21.5-Inch "Late 2012" and "Early 2013" iMac models to be a "customer installable part," EveryMac.com cannot recommend that users perform the upgrade themselves. Most interested in the 21.5-Inch model likely should instead consider upgrading the RAM at the time of purchase -- which unfortunately means paying a higher upfront price overall due to a significant markup on RAM -- or alternately hiring a professional to perform the upgrade. If it is important to you to be able to upgrade the RAM yourself, particularly as higher capacity memory modules may become available in the future, you may instead prefer to avoid the 21.5-Inch "Late 2012" and "Early 2013" iMac models altogether in favor of the 27-Inch "Late 2012" model or instead purchase an earlier 21.5-Inch iMac model on the used market with RAM that is easy to upgrade. Well, I can manage to disembowel the sucker (new sticky tape == Where Get?) ..but the mech. inept had best not DIY. But my TEMP question remains unanswered re the '11/'12-up small iMacs.. DAMN.. this means I gotta keep this iMac alive as long as possible, as Apple slouches towards Beastware-grade greed and cuteness über Practicality. :-/ :-/
Post #375,117 by Ashton 5/16/13 5:19:52 PM Reply	Thanks for run-down on the lot.. Seems that Lion is a no-brainer, though unclear if a leap to Mt. Lion is advisable; either way I gotta get it on a CD unless that quest fails, too. Clearly too, they Must have pondered exact steps to evade nuking my Time machine, during transition [in case of glitches no one can predict.] Maybe will try Chrome first--machine won't care how 'old' is a Lion disc, can decide that later. Unless Chrome seamlessly saves bookmarks and auto-passwords, etc. from Safari.. an unlikely sale. (Guess won't ever discover Why safari decided to spring a leak. I 'Trusted' 'them' and ... they failed here.) But, long-term I may be screwed.. As you are an EE, I find it quizzical that you'd be disinterested in some scientific factoids: TEMP: the GPU diode is NOT adequately cooled with an ambient of ~80F -- unless you have smcFanControl installed. I want to see some numbers re the '12+ too-tiny-cased iMacs. Before planning for a 2 yo. model, sometime. I am not 'paranoid' (carrying that necessary attitude for Beastware), I am experienced with heat VS MTBF as, presumably are you. (Similarly, I deem it a 'duty' to note daily/usual error messages sufficiently to.. tell the difference as just might indicate Pwned-ership or other anomaly striking.) NOTHING is immune to creeps-in-action. Whether Apple goes the full WalMart-Greed road next: also remains a necessary concern, as I can't throw money at their warez --as their demographic [and lawful prey] seem eager to do. And I concur that ANY 'update' via Apple:Beastware::VelveetaÂ:a decent brie. [Sure glad I don't need a server, though..] Your lore always appreciated--it's Vincent Shadow grade ;^>
Post #375,118 by pwhysall 5/16/13 5:57:40 PM Reply	If you go to Lion... ...might as well head straight for ML.
Post #375,119 by folkert 5/16/13 6:02:30 PM Reply	Agreed. There is no benefit from the two step. Apple recommends straight to ML. Also, it is ONLY available the App Store. Period. No Physical media. -- greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
Post #375,123 by malraux 5/16/13 6:34:11 PM Reply	Physical media It is, however, a straightforward proposition to write the download to a partition for safekeeping. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #375,109 by malraux 5/16/13 11:07:01 AM Reply	You probably have an iMac8,1 Which is apparently compatible with Mountain Lion. For the record, my upgrade to Lion was a complete pain in the ass: my external backup drive wasn't compatible and Lion ate the partition. So had I taken the common advice and backed up before a complete wipe I would have lost everything in the upgrade. If you're not up for that sort of pain, just switch to Chrome. It's a much better browser than Safari and you'll get updates for it whether Apple wants you to or not. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #375,111 by pwhysall 5/16/13 12:01:51 PM Reply	On the flip side... ...my upgrade was completely painless. Remember: bad things happen to computers that belong to programmers. It's a rule of the universe.
Post #375,112 by malraux 5/16/13 12:32:11 PM Reply	It does seem that way, doesn't it... In this case it was a hardware issue however, and not something I had done to the installation while practicing my Dark Programmering Artz. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #375,115 by Ashton 5/16/13 3:44:35 PM Reply	Yes, Model A1224 Guess I'll have to ask Apple Store folk to be sure that no (recently discovered?) badness occurs re LIon or Mtn. Lion upgrade--and get reassured that my WD-'Studio' (tiny, shiny 2.5" box) Time Machine drive shall know what to do with its older records, at Lion install ... as it did, nicely 'twixt L. and Snow L.) PITA for the d/l, on my crippled 400K Comcast BW. Maybe Store will sell me a CD of the sucker; would hate to have to schlep Klaatu / find place to park / waste half a day. Will check out AS's linkie next.. Thanks for an encouraging 'compatibility' :-)
Post #375,124 by Another Scott 5/16/13 7:12:04 PM Reply	On the leaking... We don't use Safari unless we have to - we use FF on our Macs. No particular reason - we're just used to it and I like TabMixPlus too much for my own good. Apparently Safari is notorius for memory leaks - http://www.jwz.org/b...stead-of-firefox/ - though the comments say (as of a year ago) that they've gotten better. If you're using any add-ons in your Safari installation, try removing them. Sometimes it's the add-ons that leak. Someone here was having similar issues - https://discussions....?start=0&tstart=0 - removing AdBlock(er) fixed it, but others said they weren't using it and were having the same problems... If you like Safari, you could try one of the nightly WebKit builds. It might not tickle whatever the problem is in the version of Safari you're using. http://nightly.webkit.org/ (Haven't used it myself, but I used to play with FF Nightlies for a while. Just install it in a directory where you can delete it if you decide not to keep it.) HTH a little. Best of luck. Cheers, Scott.
Post #375,145 by Ashton 5/17/13 1:15:14 AM Reply	Thanks all, for the decent perspectives.. Might as well do the ML thing, try Chrome anyway, maybe delete AdBlocker for a test.. at some stage. Pity that Webkit, Inc. isn't quite the sharpest jello in the fridge. Even with Apple nipping at heels [??] At least.. no infant mortality on the ML-Install, I can believe. Not this late in the game. Ah well, none of this even compares with The Daily Fright [Will Doze run~acceptably ... Tomorrow?] Thing is.. I Like ... the Snow Leopard wallpaper ... guess I'd best stash a copy.

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