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>> Private charters were allowed to fly after commercial traffic was grounded

You have that completely backwards. NO ONE was allowed to fly before commercial traffic was back up (except military).

Here's the order of the flight restrictions being lifted:
1) Commercial carriers
2) IFR point-to-point flights (no pop-ups, no round-robins) [bin Laden family flies now - charter IFR flights resume]
3) Normal IFR
4) VFR (although there are still some restrictions)

See: [link|http://www.alaskaaircarriers.org/pdf/FAAUpdate914.pdf|GA Still Grounded, Commercial Ops back up]


It wasn't until 9.28.2001 that student pilots were able to fly again, weeks after the bin Ladens.

[link|http://www.avweb.com/other/fdc0617.html|9/28/2001 NOTAM]

Here's a list. As late as November of last year, many VFR flights were still prohibited.

[link|http://www.avweb.com/other/grounded.html|Other NOTAMS]

So, if you "did a couple yourself" when the big boys were grounded, then you made illegal flights.

NOT TO MENTION that my statement that the bin Laden family was cleared for takeoff before I or any of my fellow student pilots were STANDS AS WRITTEN.

>> Plus...GW made more money from selling the Rangers than he made from the BL
>> Group.

Pay attention. I said that he made his first non-family million, not his last. You make no point here at all.

bcnu,
Mikem

-'Tis better to remain silent and thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
New On demand air charter.
You attached a document that supported me. Commercial traffic was cleared 9/13...but commercial carriers spent that time staging aircraft. In addition, airports all had to be approved for new security measures before they were allowed to open.

Charters were the first planes back in the air. And I had 2 to Europe.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New In support
[link|http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-091501rich.story| LATimes]
Extract:
Like commercial airliners, many corporate jets were stranded in Europe, because of an FAA ban on flights from overseas. Others were diverted to Canada. Several companies faced with such a dilemma then were forced to leave the airplanes in Canada and charter air taxi services, which had been authorized to take to the air.
-- William Shatner's Trousers --
New Spin, Spin, Spin.
Usually I'd let this illogic pass, but, observe your comments:

>> Private charters were allowed to fly after commercial traffic was
>> grounded...based upon specific request...I chartered a couple during that
>> time.

Nope. I assume you mean "major carriers" by "commercial traffic" which isn't right, but I think I understand.

>> You attached a document that supported me. Commercial traffic was cleared
>> 9/13...but commercial carriers spent that time staging aircraft.

Nope again. They refute you. Commercial traffic was cleared, then private charters could fly again. The fact that most major carriers didn't fly immediately upon being cleared is irrelevant. You initially claimed that you flew charter when the majors were "grounded". That is flatly false.

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