I had about Guns. We came up with a pretty good idea.


A friend and I came up with a perfect Second Amendment plan. You can own all the guns you want, but anybody who owns a gun can be drafted at any time (no matter what age, sex, or condition), and sent to the front lines of any war we happen to be fighting at the moment, armed only with what they own.

We could call it the Well Regulated Militia Act, and it is the only way to be truly faithful to the intentions of the mostly slave-owning plutocratic Freemason males who wrote the sacred scriptures of our land.

Question:
So if you wanted to buy a shotgun for hunting, you would also buy an assault rifle with maximum killing power in case of being drafted. And then cause the death of professional soldiers by having untrained people mixed with the troops. Or would the draftees go through regular training?
Since we haven't had draftees for years, I can't remember.

Answer:
Yes no training. You wanted more guns... you got'em. If you don;t want to be accidentally shot by an idiot... you know your choice in the matter then. Of course those that actually joined the military would be equipped and trained. Of course also, these front line militia would be in their own separate expeditionary force.

Question on that Answer:
Part of original point was that your plan primarily hoses the people who buy perfectly normal guns for perfectly normal reasons. There are a lot of people out there who's only gun is a Ruger 10/22 that they use for plinking targets and offing the occasional rabid skunk or raccoon. And what about the people who shoot black powder?

Answer to the Question of the Answer:
The statement still stands. You wanted guns... you've got the choice to make. Better buy that secondary Repeating AR-15 for popping off that raccoon or squirrel. Oh and black powder... same thing.

Black powder weapons are the *original* founding father style weapons! They make for the BEST well-regulated militias! Ask George Washington! If we're going to play by 18th century rules about who gets guns, then let's send people to war 18th century style!

A special exception we are going to allow users of BB guns/air rifles to be exempt from the draft for foreign wars, as long as they're registered and go through a 6 month training program and have their names on file with the local FBI. We will then conscript them into a domestic anti-rabid-skunk-and-raccoon militia brigade. We will not cower before the rabid skunk menace. Boomerangs though... free and clear. Go nuts!

If you wanna shoot at things with black powder or smokeless casing... why not something that can shoot back, in a war or "skirmish".

Question:
What about Slingshots?

Old fashioned forked stick ones are OK. "Wrist rockets" will be joining the anti-skunk brigades.

Response from other:
If you want to make a "modest proposal" style suggestion, it should be:
- one that addresses the problem instead of making it worse (eating poor children would alleviate poverty and hunger, whereas you're advocating that everyone who owns any gun acquire the most destructive ones possible, making the problem worse) and
- one that makes your opponents look bad instead of yourselves (eating poor children is the sort of position that the "screw the poor" people could be envisioned holding in private, whereas sending 14-year-olds with Marlin 60s into combat doesn't line up with even the wackiest of NRA proposals).

Answer to response:
Choosing to buy better guns to defend yourself in the big shooting gallery called "war" doesn't really make the problem worse... it just forces people that *REALLY* want a gun to make a choice to defend their country as a mandatory part of a "No Exception" Well Regulated Militia.

So, the person(s) that would be choosing to send out the 14 year old kids with Marlin 60s are the persons that made that choice. You don't get it... responsibility lies in the ... gun owner. The gun owner would be where the responsibility lies, no other. Any issues or problems would be addressable at the gun owner. Far different from the current "I had my gun hidden under my bed" Nellie that disavow and responsibility.

Makes it pretty simple in my view. You want guns... as a gun owner you have the ultimate responsibility for the guns you allow out of your purview or control. If you don't keep you guns locked up properly or a trigger safety lock or some kind of locking chamber sling on them... *YOU* are responsible.

None of this: I keep it by my bedside in holster/drawer for protection at all times. Or I keep my AR-15 in my Closet fully loaded in case ZOMG ZOMBIES attack but I never expected my "saintly teenager" to take it and murder 50 people with my 100 count magazines or tracer rounds.

Yeah... If owners want a gun... they have to *BE* held responsible. Keep you guns in a certified Gun Case/Safe and keep ammo separately in another one. At least keep the triggers locked with safety locks or chamber locks.

Response from other:
I'm not following the connection to sending people to war because they own a gun of any sort. If we take the militia idea seriously, a militia is a mustering of armed citizens to defend, generally to defend a local area. Sending it off defeats the purpose, since the militia members are those who make the day-to-day business of the country move along.

Answer to response:
It's more of an "eat the rich" thing. Like, if Swift had said it's OK to keep the Irish as poor and starving as you want, but they're able to slaughter the children of the rich and eat them. That would be more along these lines. "You can have your cake, but it contains poison. Now how bad do you want that cake?" It's that much better because the poison (military service) is encoded into the 2nd amendment.

Part of our problem is the cost of the Military. We spend more than half our budget on the Military. We also spend more than the next 23 countries with the largest military combined.

So it comes to this, if you want a GUN... you have a 100% no exception responsibility, being a cripple or a 14 year old or a 96 year old... you get to do defend your country or do its bidding to ensure your right to own that gun.

Its simple, Gun Ownership you are choosing voluntary conscription. If you want a gun, you also have additional responsibility to keep your guns in an Armory, in Safes, Locked up properly and/or disabled and not re-enable-able without the proper unlocking mechanism. If you lose a gun, you are additionally responsible for any crimes committed with that gun you lost.

The whole point here is to weed those out that just want guns without any responsibility. Without very steep requirements, it won't deter the Mom's buying guns for their kids to use "constructively" and lets them go off on their own.

If you don't quite get this, I can understand, it is something that many struggle with.

It is especially the "EYE NO M'EYE WRITES!" people that don't really understand the rights they "know" have been fought for in wars and skirmishes and really have a *SERIOUS* cost. They need to be reminded and continuously told and shown.

The objection that "militias" are only only for defense is irrelevant, because foreign wars are conducted by the Defense Department, and therefore every invasion and occupation we are undertaking is technically "defense." And you know, if the gun nuts all die horribly in a foreign land, I'm sure we'll find somebody else to "make the day to day business of the country move along."

Question:
Can I have a flail or other similar style weapons?

Answer:
Only if you are a licensed grain-thresher.

Statement:
I want a rail gun, then.

Answer:
You get to buy a BOAT the size of a battleship then.

Statement/request:
I want my BB gun exempted as there is doubt it would fell a squirrel.

Answer: No Exemptions.

specifically?

As I'm really trying to push this in a few circles. (You know which ones)

True we didn't address that.

Not much I can do now, the person no longer responds on the forum.

Box, if you want GUNs... you get to go serve in the Citizenship Militia and go to a current war zone and defend you country.

Period. None of this "Yeah But"

Period. Even if you are a Crippled Blind Amputee with a only a brain stem. If you choose you want a gun... you are conscripted.

It works for other countries.

Its not attached to the first amendment. Unless there is some magical linking nobody except you are aware of.