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New Windows 8 animated review
Give it 20 minutes, worth it.

http://www.youtube.c...&feature=youtu.be

And Peter: No, not just a training issue.
New ...
No response needed from me. Its pretty much how I feel about it.

Youngest Daughter got given an expensive *BRAND NEW* friggin PC laptop with Windows 8 on it. It had one of those "flippy" tops. It was from a Roommate in College. They couldn't take it, understand it, use it, get things done. She tried. They bought a New Macbook Pro. Told her to take the Windows 8 PC and keep it or shoot it or drive over it with a train or use it as a weakest link in an anchor. Effectively, if they ever saw it again, it would be to soon.

Now granted my youngest is all about these kinds of new things. Usually completely on it. Way more so than me. She has a new MacBook Pro, so she can get things done. She is all about her Droid. She is all about doing new schtuff on the computer.

Windows 8... nope. She pawned it for $900 with the box it came in and everything. This was enough to nearly payoff what she owed (the wife and I) for her MBP that replaced her broken one.
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New Had my first run in last week
On a regular laptop of course... ICK! Even ignoring the Unusable Interface, it seems the main goal was to hide everything the admin might want to use in places you would never think of.

But at least you don't have to click "Start" anymore to "stop" ;-)

New Played with a Win8 laptop briefly last night.
It was also a touchscreen lappy. That made the Metro UI effective. But the UI struck me as MPD. Start Word with a tap on Metro ... and it flips back to Desktop to start Word. :-/

I also spoke to a sales person, who spends time in various retail stores selling Window 8 hardware talking to likely customers. Just within a few minutes of speaking with me I learnt two or three things about the Win8 Metro UI that I may never have discovered for myself. That's seriously bad. And I've used Windows since Windows 1. Heck even new MacBooks come with a little card showing you all the multi-touch gestures the touchpad supports. MS needs to do the same for all their new gestures.

That said, it is laudable that Microsoft is trying to push the desktop PC UI in a new direction. But it seems to have two basic problems: a lot of the design is not discoverable enough, and it was clearly hamstrung, which is undoubtedly why there is a Desktop mode. Some of the design relies on people being willing to try "standard" touchscreen gestures to do stuff, and the few things the salesman showed me struck me as trying to take the user a bit too far too fast.

But this is also the kind of problem I see elsewhere. You may remember my distate of Ubuntu Unity. I went rummaging on the 'net just to see if there was a way to put the Unity toolbar on the right. No: Mark Shuttleworth explicitly said "we will not make a way to do that". And then see all the conversations amongst users about How To Do Stuff since so much is not easily discoverable. (FWIW, I put Linux Mint 14 on my new lappy.)

I think we've been here before. I remember stories of users who did not realise the Windows 95 "Start" button was clickable. Going back further, I remember many many stories of users who could not grasp double-click on a mouse. Or even the dissociated effect of moving a pointer on the screen with a physical mouse.

All that said, the video did show a lot of "version 1" problems. Microsoft are notorious for those. If they are paying attention, they will come up with solutions for most of those and do a Windows 8.1 within a year.

Unfortunately, I don't see any signs that they *are* paying attention.

Wade.
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New My FIL was hopless with a Mac.
He was a scientist who wrote FORTRAN code, etc., but retired about 10 years before PCs were invented.

But he wanted to get online and was enthralled with the idea of Linux and Free Software and so forth. So we got him set up with a dial-in account on a Mac IILC.

J typed up detailed instructions for him and we spent a few hours trying to get him up to speed with it when we visited for a few days.

No matter what anyone thinks, PC and Mac GUIs are not "intuitive". You have to be able to think about it the way the designers want you to use it.

Early on, he would call J and tell her that he could only get the internet to work if he moved the mouse pointer around in circles a certain way. If he moved it counter-clockwise, ... :-/

A few weeks later, J got calls saying nothing was working right, that he had followed all of her instructions, but it wasn't working.

So, I flew up to Boston one Saturday with the expectation that something was wrong and I'd be able to get it going again without too much trouble... When I got there and he showed it to me, there were masses of modal dialog boxes on the screen. It never clicked with him that he had to do what was necessary to get the dialog box to go away (usually by clicking "OK") before he could try again or do something else.

It gave me more respect for people who have to train new users!

Cheers,
Scott.
New This is kind of why I gave my father Linux.
I can't support him with Windows because I rarely use it. He has the same distro and version I have on my work PC, so if he gets lost, I can usually figure out what to tell him over the phone.

I'm kinda glad Mum isn't that interested. :-/

Wade.
Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/
New Sounds like Shuttleworth caught Gnome Disease
Only One Way To Do Things

Why you wouldn't allow a toolbar on the right is beyond me. *Someone* at Ubuntu has to be left-handed...
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
New Gnome Disease? You're being kind.
I've seen people accuse him of trying to be the next Apple, or worse: the next Microsoft.

I found an Ubuntu bugthread where he was trying to defend this decision. It seemed to boil down to "We want it on the left and only on the left for reasons which we'll show you in a version or three, but not now". Which I found condescending.

I was tempted to add to the end of the thread this: "I have a touchscreen. I am right-handed. I want the taskbar on the right." But it would been pointless because Shuttleworth had long stopped responding.

Wade.
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New Muahaha.
Take that, righties!

http://leftorium.com/
New :-)
     Windows 8 animated review - (crazy) - (9)
         ... - (folkert)
         Had my first run in last week - (scoenye)
         Played with a Win8 laptop briefly last night. - (static) - (6)
             My FIL was hopless with a Mac. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                 This is kind of why I gave my father Linux. - (static)
             Sounds like Shuttleworth caught Gnome Disease - (malraux) - (3)
                 Gnome Disease? You're being kind. - (static)
                 Muahaha. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                     :-) -NT - (Another Scott)

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